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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Is the revolver a S&W?
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2020, 04:34:16 AM »
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Should be self-evident. Differences in lighting and background can affect the apparent color of an object. Not exactly a new idea.

No doubt. But this isn’t a washed-out photo of a dress. The claim seems to be that sunlight makes a dark-brown shirt and even darker pants looks like a khaki shirt and even lighter pants. Never mind the fact that a shooter taking aim for the head shot would not be in the sunlight...
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Is the revolver a S&W?
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2020, 06:14:11 AM »

Brennan clearly said in his affidavit " He had on light colored clothing but definitely not a suit".    ( in other words, Brennan said that the shirt and trousers were similar in color, but they were not a suit)
>>> Somebody claimed the little pipsqueak wore a suit? String the bastard up!

During his testimony before LBJ's Select Blue Ribbon Cover up Committee, Brennan described the man's clothing as "khaki", and the trousers were a shade LIGHTER than than the dingy white colored shirt.
>>> Brennan hemmed & hawed about the khaki colour.

Lee Oswald was wearing a reddish brown ( brick color) shirt and DARK grey trousers .....  Neither the shirt or the trousers could be seen as "Dingy white" and Lee's dark grey trousers most certainly would not have appeared as a "shade lighter" than his shirt ...... Even if the observer was color blind.....
>>> In his WC testimony Brennan said the shirt he saw was maybe a shade lighter than the one he was shown (CE 159)... not that the trousers were a shade lighter.

High noon had sunlight streaming in that window and catching the little prick in bits & pieces, suggesting lighter clothes (not colours)... whether you lot like that observable, repeatable science or not.

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Khaki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaki#Tones_of_khaki

Khaki (UK: /ˈkɑːki/, Canada and US: /ˈkæki/) is a color, a light shade of brown with a yellowish tinge. Khaki is an equal mix of sage and buff so it is considered a quinary color.[1]
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Re: Is the revolver a S&W?
« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2020, 04:07:26 PM »
No doubt. But this isn’t a washed-out photo of a dress. The claim seems to be that sunlight makes a dark-brown shirt and even darker pants looks like a khaki shirt and even lighter pants. Never mind the fact that a shooter taking aim for the head shot would not be in the sunlight...

Never mind the fact that a shooter taking aim for the head shot would not be in the sunlight...

I've wanted to propose this point, but I simply don't know if the 175 pound, khaki clad man, would have been in the sunlight.   I'm sure that he was NOT standing behind the window at the SE corner of the sixth floor.   ( One only has to look at photos of what the cops imagined to be a "Sniper's Nest" and see that there would not have been room enough to stand immediately behind that window.)  The man had to be STANDING behind a fully open window....

Mr. BRENNAN. But I don't recall this window at the time of the shooting being that low.
Mr. BELIN. Now, by this window you are pointing to the window on the sixth floor?
Mr. BRENNAN. Right.
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« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2020, 04:31:52 PM »
Brennan clearly said in his affidavit " He had on light colored clothing but definitely not a suit".    ( in other words, Brennan said that the shirt and trousers were similar in color, but they were not a suit)
>>> Somebody claimed the little pipsqueak wore a suit? String the bastard up!

During his testimony before LBJ's Select Blue Ribbon Cover up Committee, Brennan described the man's clothing as "khaki", and the trousers were a shade LIGHTER than than the dingy white colored shirt.
>>> Brennan hemmed & hawed about the khaki colour.

Lee Oswald was wearing a reddish brown ( brick color) shirt and DARK grey trousers .....  Neither the shirt or the trousers could be seen as "Dingy white" and Lee's dark grey trousers most certainly would not have appeared as a "shade lighter" than his shirt ...... Even if the observer was color blind.....
>>> In his WC testimony Brennan said the shirt he saw was maybe a shade lighter than the one he was shown (CE 159)... not that the trousers were a shade lighter.

High noon had sunlight streaming in that window and catching the little prick in bits & pieces, suggesting lighter clothes (not colours)... whether you lot like that observable, repeatable science or not.

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Khaki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaki#Tones_of_khaki

Khaki (UK: /ˈkɑːki/, Canada and US: /ˈkæki/) is a color, a light shade of brown with a yellowish tinge. Khaki is an equal mix of sage and buff so it is considered a quinary color.[1]

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember the specific color of any shirt that the man with the rifle was wearing?
Mr. BRENNAN. No, other than light, and a khaki color--maybe in khaki. I mean other than light color--not a real white shirt, in other words. If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side.

Mr. BELIN. All right.
Could you see the man's trousers at all?
Do you remember any color?
Mr. BRENNAN. I remembered them at that time as being similar to the same color of the shirt or a little lighter. And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.

Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by that?
Mr. BRENNAN. That he was not dressed in the same clothes that I saw the man in the window.
Mr. BELIN. You mean with reference to the trousers or the shirt?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, not particularly either. In other words, he just didn't have the same clothes on.
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Re: Is the revolver a S&W?
« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2020, 04:37:23 PM »
He also stated that JFK was given a Stetson at the breakfast in Fort Worth the morning of the assassination so that the snipers could more easily target him in Dallas.

I think most people recognize falsehoods from, well, let's say "unstable" people. But I do worry that someone may come here and believe some of these falsehoods. But that's the price for free speech; truth will defeat false ideas but it takes time and the lies can cause damage.

It doesn't help when Fox News falls for spoofs from sites like the Onion; to wit the fake 75,000 word rambling email 'from Obama' a few years back.

Watch me drop in another one, and the ensuing scramble from the crème de la crème of the local tin foil hat crowd take it ever-so-seriously. You know, the type who thrive on the chain mails from the right-wing lunatic fringe blogosphere.
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« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2020, 04:48:41 PM »
This from the same guy who believes the red circles on the TSBD were a signal to LBJ.  Despite newspaper accounts from decades earlier explaining their actual purpose.   But here we learn that it is absurd to contend that lighting can affect the appearance of someone's clothing.  Comedy gold.

This from the same guy who believes the red circles on the TSBD were a signal to LBJ.  Despite newspaper accounts from decades earlier explaining their actual purpose.

Thank you for sticking your neck in the noose once again, Mr "Smith" .....  It's clear that you have seen the seven red rings on the windows of the TSBD during the coup d' etate.  And you believe that all of those red rings were there as a signal to the fire department so that in the event of the building being on fire the fire department would know where to place their ladders so that any occupants of the building could escape.   So I ask you Mr Genius "Smith" ;...Which one of the seven windows would the firemen have used as a guide as a place to place the ladder??    And why wouldn't the occupants simply have used the fire escape that is clearly visible in many photos of the TSBD???   I assume you'll be able to come up with answers to the questions.... And they will no doubt be ridiculous and hilarious.

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Re: Is the revolver a S&W?
« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2020, 05:04:32 PM »
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember the specific color of any shirt that the man with the rifle was wearing?
Mr. BRENNAN. No, other than light, and a khaki color--maybe in khaki. I mean other than light color--not a real white shirt, in other words. If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side.

Mr. BELIN. All right.
Could you see the man's trousers at all?
Do you remember any color?
Mr. BRENNAN. I remembered them at that time as being similar to the same color of the shirt or a little lighter. And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.

Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by that?
Mr. BRENNAN. That he was not dressed in the same clothes that I saw the man in the window.
Mr. BELIN. You mean with reference to the trousers or the shirt?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, not particularly either. In other words, he just didn't have the same clothes on.

Tell us what clothes Oswald had on in the show up. And was the show up held in the SE corner on a sunny day at 12:30 with Brennan viewing from the same position he had on the actual day of the assassination?

Don't forget that one of the witnesses stood back from the accused, in the show up, the same distance at which he saw Oswald after the Tippit ambush.
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Re: Is the revolver a S&W?
« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2020, 05:10:40 PM »
Tell us what clothes Oswald had on in the show up. And was the show up held in the SE corner on a sunny day at 12:30 with Brennan viewing from the same position he had on the actual day of the assassination?

Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as I previously have said, I had saw the man in the window and I had saw him on television. He looked much younger on television than he did from my picture of him in the window--not much younger, but a few years younger--say 5 years younger.

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