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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2020, 06:19:47 PM »
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You need to realize that Graves makes up false crap like this and states it as a fact, purely for the purpose of disrupting conversations.

Just like he takes his own wild-ass guesses about who is who in blurry photos and states those as facts.

Get a life, Graves.

Iacoletti,

How ironic, coming from a guy who either has poor eyesight and can't tell three skirt-and-raincoat-wearing women from "Bermuda shorts wearing men" in a film which was shot on a cool late-November day during a presidential motorcade in conservative 1963 Dallas, or can but prefers not to admit it because doing so would contradict his misconceived, irrational, stubbornly disingenuous "position" regarding the identities of that trio, as well as their location during the assassination.

LOL

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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2020, 07:05:28 PM »
Steve M.,

>>> S A R C A S M  .  A L E R T <<<

True JFK Assassination researchers KNOW the reason Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover and and Earl Warren, et al., had to cover it up wasn't because the Ruskies, through triple-agents Aleksei Kulak and Ivan Obyedkov, et al., had put a WW III Virus in Oswald's CIA file, but because ... gasp ... evil, evil, evil James Angleton had done so by contriving to make it look as though Oswald had been in contact with putative "Department 13" Valeriy Kostikov, ... except ... hmm ... Kostikov had been made "radioactive" by the KGB, itself, and the Soviet embassy security guard, Ivan Obyedkov, who "volunteered" Kostikov's name to Oswald or an Oswald impersonator over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line was a triple-agent (i.e., a KGB officer whom CIA thought was working for CIA but in reality was still loyal to the KGB).

Hmm ...

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So the WC covered it up. The HSCA covered it up. The other investigations covered it up? The Washington Post investigated the shooting and determined Oswald killed JFK. Hugh Aynesworth investigated it and said the evidence for him was that Oswald shot JFK. PBS investigated the event - "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald" - and they concluded Oswald alone killed JFK. Bugliosi said Oswald acted alone. Posner said Oswald acted alone.

All of this was a coverup? The people who covered it up for the government - some still alive like Slawson and Willens - are still covering it up?

As Commager pointed out, conspiracists won't accept anything that doesn't show their conspiracy. In fact, anything that shows there was no conspiracy is another conspiracy designed to coverup the original conspiracy.

It's like a bizarre religious cult.

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2020, 07:10:17 PM »
What about a reasoned response to Mr Galbraith's comment? Like providing "supporting evidence" rather than a rude reply?
He can't. Not won't, he simply cannot. He has to make things up. And deny all of the evidence against Oswald. Not most of it, not some of it: all of it. Every single piece of evidence implicating Oswald in any way is dismissed. Out of hand.

All of the evidence against Oswald in every single one of the above investigations I mentioned is dismissed by characterizing it as just a claim. What does that tell you about how he looks a this? It's simply a fanatical objection to facts and events. It's a "No, no, no."

For example,  the HSCA photographic experts say the rifle in the BYP was the rifle found in the sniper's nest. Were they wrong in their analysis? They could be. Experts can be wrong. But one has to show how and why. He can't. He just says they were wrong. He can't show where they were wrong. He knows he can't. But he just dismisses it.

Forensic experts, ballistics experts, fingerprint experts, wound experts, photographic experts - he dismisses out of hand all of their conclusion. For him they are just claims.

This is really easy to do. Just say any and every piece of evidence in any event is just an assumption, a piece of speculation, a claim. Of course he doesn't do this when it comes to all conspiracy claims. Pat Speers above made a conspiracy allegation. Did he dismiss it? Of course not.

As I said, one can argue that all of this is wrong; all of these investigations got it wrong. Fine. Point out where they were. But the conspiracists argument (the main one) is that all of this was a coverup of what happened. A deliberate lie and not a failure or screwup.

The WC was a lie. The HSCA was a lie. The other investigations were lies. All of this. For half a century.

It's absolute paranoid nonsense.
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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2020, 07:15:41 PM »
No, that would be the ad populum fallacy. A claim doesn’t become true just because a bunch of people have the same opinion about it.


Reality....that which can be proven by immutable law of physics.....  ie; water will always flow from a higher elevation or pressure to a lower elevation or pressure....

or daylight and darkness are opposites.

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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2020, 07:52:59 PM »
So the WC covered it up. The HSCA covered it up. The other investigations covered it up? The Washington Post investigated the shooting and determined Oswald killed JFK. Hugh Aynesworth investigated it and said the evidence for him was that Oswald shot JFK. PBS investigated the event - "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald" - and they concluded Oswald alone killed JFK. Bugliosi said Oswald acted alone. Posner said Oswald acted alone.

All of this was a coverup? The people who covered it up for the government - some still alive like Slawson and Willens - are still covering it up?

As Commager pointed out, conspiracists won't accept anything that doesn't show their conspiracy. In fact, anything that shows there was no conspiracy is another conspiracy designed to coverup the original conspiracy.

It's like a bizarre religious cult.

So the WC covered it up..... 

That's right....They thought they were doing the right thing.   They realized that there are many weak individuals who live in Fantasy Land who can't handle the truth.   So in the name of national stability and security they created the big lie.

Perhaps they were right....   If we had known that Hoover and Johnson were at the pinnacle of the conspiracy, who could predict what action the stupid piss ants would take..... They lied to us for our own good....

Many Lner's accept their perfidy .....  It just makes me mad as hell.


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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2020, 08:25:42 PM »
Mr Commager's most undeniably accurate insight is: "...the conspiracy mentality will not accept ordinary evidence"

Ordinary evidence
'Ordinary' equates with 'sinister' in conspiracy-monger territory

Oswald fled from the place where shots were fired (TSBD) that killed President Kennedy
Little Prick#1 had a movie to catch

Oswald lied about his superior informing him that there would be no more work (at the TSBD) due to the assassination
Sociopaths don't have superiors. Additionally, Oswald (AKA Dirty Harvey/Alex Hidell/O.H.Lee) said it, so it must be true

Oswald returned to his residence to fetch a revolver
It's what boys do

Oswald was identified as using a pistol to kill Officer JD Tippit
He was only firing warning shots, but missed. Poor dumb cop.
     
Oswald was identified as the man seen running away from the scene of the Tippit murder holding a pistol in his hand
Oh-oh..

Oswald attempted to shoot Officer N.M. McDonald with a revolver as he (Oswald) was about to be arrested
Nope. He was only attempting to give up his revolver. After all, he said he wasn't resisting arrest, so it must be true

That's circumstantial evidence which cannot logically be attributed to framing by cunning conspirators. Oswald acted  independently without guidance or manipulation by others
Wrong: Oswald had help:
1) Alex Hidell was in charge of armament procurement
2) O.H. Lee was in charge of safe-house procurement
3) Dirty Harvey was in charge of making Oswald a somebody
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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2020, 08:26:45 PM »
So the WC covered it up..... 

That's right....They thought they were doing the right thing.   They realized that there are many weak individuals who live in Fantasy Land who can't handle the truth.   So in the name of national stability and security they created the big lie.

Perhaps they were right....   If we had known that Hoover and Johnson were at the pinnacle of the conspiracy, who could predict what action the stupid piss ants would take..... They lied to us for our own good....

Many Lner's accept their perfidy .....  It just makes me mad as hell.

Yes, most of the WC thought they were doing the right thing in covering up the truth. But not Allen Dulles. He was the architect of the Big Event. Why else was he even on the WC? Warren himself was a stooge and their job was to NOT implicate the Rooskies for fear of WW III. They had already averted the Cuban Missile Crisis and blaming Khrushchev for the Big Event was not an option. That was the whole reason behind the "lone nut" narrative.

Otherwise, Johnson was compliant, Hoover was more involved because the FBI was the backbone of the Big Event. Dulles' good bud James Angleton used the compromising photo of Hoover to bring him into the fold, but he was already "in" since he was as corrupt as they came. To all you LNers who think that Dulles, Angleton, Johnson and Hoover were too noble and righteous to pull off a coup, get real. Hoover was the defacto mob boss back then and Johnson is rumored to have offed his own sister. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop with the "crazy conspiracy theories" bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns. Was the HSCA a bunch of crazy CTs? The LN hypothesis is the fringe theory. You need to stop ignoring damning evidence and live with the facts.

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Re: Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2020, 01:24:00 AM »
So the WC covered it up. The HSCA covered it up. The other investigations covered it up? The Washington Post investigated the shooting and determined Oswald killed JFK. Hugh Aynesworth investigated it and said the evidence for him was that Oswald shot JFK. PBS investigated the event - "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald" - and they concluded Oswald alone killed JFK. Bugliosi said Oswald acted alone. Posner said Oswald acted alone.

Oh brother....

What “investigation” did Hugh Aynesworth do? I think you’re confusing taking other people’s word for things with investigation.

Which is what the WC did to begin with.

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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2020, 01:24:00 AM »