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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #424 on: March 18, 2020, 08:48:06 AM »
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Thanks for the reply Jerry. Trying to identify the "discoverer" of the bag is a rabbit hole. This result is a clear failure for an "exhaustive" investigation for such a key piece of evidence. Note the dates on the reports you posted. We know the bag spent some time in two locations  with Studebaker in the TSBD on the 22nd November. On the sixth floor and at the first floor wrapping table. Question is in what order?

The bag is not a key piece of evidence. LHO was seen carrying a long sack to the TSBD on 11/22. If Oswald had destroyed the bag it would not have changed the fact his rifle was matched to the shells and bullet and fragments and that LHO's rifle was found between the boxes on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

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Offline Colin Crow

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« Reply #425 on: March 18, 2020, 09:40:50 AM »
The bag is not a key piece of evidence. LHO was seen carrying a long sack to the TSBD on 11/22. If Oswald had destroyed the bag it would not have changed the fact his rifle was matched to the shells and bullet and fragments and that LHO's rifle was found between the boxes on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Of course it’s a key piece Jack. Oswald was accused of carrying a bag that morning. The FBI claimed his prints were on it. The FBI claimed it was produced from material available in the TSBD, likely the day before. It ties him to the schooling scene.

Anything else I wrote in the post you responded to that you disagree with?

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #426 on: March 18, 2020, 12:47:01 PM »
If a really old rifle hull was discovered behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll, it would have to be considered irrelevant because it wasn't discovered immediately on the day of the assassination and there's no chain of evidence. Same with any new evidence such as the Babushka Lady photo or an assassin's confession.

So what was the chain of evidence for CE142? That was entered into evidence within a few hours. Who gave it to who? Who was the first to open it? Was it open and then folded first?

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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #427 on: March 18, 2020, 01:35:56 PM »
Of course it’s a key piece Jack. Oswald was accused of carrying a bag that morning. The FBI claimed his prints were on it. The FBI claimed it was produced from material available in the TSBD, likely the day before. It ties him to the schooling scene.

Anything else I wrote in the post you responded to that you disagree with?

No CE 142 is not key to anything. If it had been destroyed it would not change anything. It is nothing more than a distraction and adds nothing to the understanding of the assassination. The rifle is the key piece of information and can't be explained away. People stated they saw LHO bring a long bag to the TSBD on the morning of 11/22. LHO could have burned the bag and nothing would be different.

The bag never was at the first floor wrapping table. It does not matter who discovered the bag as the bag can clearly be seen in the photo in the SN thanks to Patrick Jackson. Kent Biffle stated the bag was present in the SN prior to the discovery of the rifle.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #428 on: March 18, 2020, 02:05:38 PM »
No CE 142 is not key to anything. If it had been destroyed it would not change anything. It is nothing more than a distraction and adds nothing to the understanding of the assassination. The rifle is the key piece of information and can't be explained away. People stated they saw LHO bring a long bag to the TSBD on the morning of 11/22. LHO could have burned the bag and nothing would be different.

The bag never was at the first floor wrapping table. It does not matter who discovered the bag as the bag can clearly be seen in the photo in the SN thanks to Patrick Jackson. Kent Biffle stated the bag was present in the SN prior to the discovery of the rifle.


No CE 142 is not key to anything.

It is key to the CT argument that the DPD or FBI or some mysterious entity planted it. Patrick Jackson’s identification of it in that photo helps to dispel that one.

I do believe that I had seen it before and wondered what it was. But I didn’t correlate it with the bag until Patrick pointed it out.

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Offline Colin Crow

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« Reply #429 on: March 18, 2020, 02:42:35 PM »
The witnesses to some supposed fence shot are in the same vague category.

We are talking about trained police here regarding the bag. Why gaslight this to a vague grassy knoll situation?  This is the official investigation result. Seems they dropped the ball (no pun intended). Obviously we have differing standards when analysis of the sequence of events.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #430 on: March 18, 2020, 02:45:27 PM »
If a really old rifle hull was discovered behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll, it would have to be considered irrelevant because it wasn't discovered immediately on the day of the assassination and there's no chain of evidence. Same with any new evidence such as the Babushka Lady photo or an assassin's confession.

The chain of custody for the TSBD rifle was broken when it was shipped to Washington on Friday night, without the proper paperwork being done, and returned the next day.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #431 on: March 18, 2020, 02:49:46 PM »
No CE 142 is not key to anything. If it had been destroyed it would not change anything. It is nothing more than a distraction and adds nothing to the understanding of the assassination. The rifle is the key piece of information and can't be explained away. People stated they saw LHO bring a long bag to the TSBD on the morning of 11/22. LHO could have burned the bag and nothing would be different.

The bag never was at the first floor wrapping table. It does not matter who discovered the bag as the bag can clearly be seen in the photo in the SN thanks to Patrick Jackson. Kent Biffle stated the bag was present in the SN prior to the discovery of the rifle.

Mr. DAY. On the first floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and I noticed from their wrapping bench there was paper and tape of a similar--the tape was of the same width as this. I took the bag over and tried it, and I noticed that the tape was the same width as on the bag.
Mr. BELIN. Did it appear to have the same color?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Then what did you do?
Mr. DAY. Sir?
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. DAY. I directed one of the officers standing by me, I don't know which, to get a piece of the tape and a piece of the paper from the wrapping bench.

Seems the bag was there Jack. When did this occur? On his way out with the rifle?

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