Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

[Jack Trojan]

Not that the bag can prove anything, but here is how LHO must have carried the rifle parts in it. I made the bag transparent to show the longest disassembled part of the rifle. Everything is to correct scale.

Supposedly, LHO carried the bag like a sack lunch (2nd panel). But that would cause the butt end of the stock to be 6 inches below ground level (red line). WTF?

[Colin Crow]

These pictures seem to indicate one end was taped and the other end (the carrying end) gathered together the paper. The bag would have been originally carried with the taped end down.

Thanks for your reply Jerry. So you don’t think the end was sealed while on the back seat of Frazier's car? Oswald simply relied on some fold over to stop bits escaping?

[Patrick Jackson]

Who said there isn't any new evidence to be found?
Here's Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.





Btw I can't find the poster who originally found this groundbreaking evidence but if it was you, tell me and I will credit you!

EDIT
JohnM

Yes, I think it was me to spot it first. Thank you.
While researching on CE 142 through the photos and possible scenarios, my conclusion is that CE 142 has nothing to do with Oswald nor rifle.
The way I see folding lines on the paper suggests that it was folded for a reasonable time before unfolded and photographed at the SN and in front of the TSBD. A couple of years ago, I bought the brown paper and tried for myself. If Oswald was carrying the rifle inside CE 142 it would be crushed much more than it is. The whole surface should be crushed the same way as we see in the bottom portion of pictures in front of TSBD. Just try to imagine how would you pack the rifle and carry it inside the paper bag. Has anybody tried it ever?
The second issue are folding lines. Once Oswald took the rifle out of the bag, he did what? Folded it four-five times neatly? CE 142 has at least eight, more likely ten folding lines which suggest it was folded four times and stored. Somebody would say that these folding lines originate from the time Oswald created the sack but it is impossible. There is no chance he created the sack in TSBD, folded it, put in his pocket, took to the Ruth Peine garage, packed the rifle, handled it, took to the car, took again, carried to the TSBD, took the rifle out... And after all that, there is no way sack to have folds as we see on the photos.
What I think that happened was that while investigating and interrogating Oswald and witnesses, particularly BWF, DPD came to the question of rifle sack. BWF told that he saw Oswald was carrying a paper sack and he told about curtain rods so the officers were sent back to the TSBD to find any similar object to paper sack. There they found a folded paper bag and assumed that was the sack BWF was talking about.
CE 142 could be found anywhere inside TSBD and there is no photographic evidence to place it between the box and two pipes next to the window as it was stated by DPD officers.
Once again, due to the shape of the paper sack and the folding lines, I think it has nothing to do with Oswald and the rifle on 22/11/1963.

[Colin Crow]

The tape used to construct the bag was from the TSBD dispenser. The bag was made in the TSBD, the question is when and who by? The Oswald did it narrative would have us believe he made it, guessed the rifle length incorrectly, and therefore had to disassemble the rifle and reassemble. Presumably one end was sealed with tape but I have yet to see anything suggesting the other end was sealed. Obviously he would have sealed the other end with something. Parts might fall out during transport and when stored in the TSBD would be easy for someone to look inside and unsealed bag.

The bag looks more like a wrapper that was made to cover the intact rifle.

[Charles Collins]

Two questions for you John (and anyone else).

1. When was the SN photo taken and by whom?

2. Can you provide any evidence that the cover was sealed at both ends at any time?

Charles, nice pick-up on the bright sliver. The shadow on the pipe appears to correspond to about your 2PM graphic, which is pretty closely corroborated by the bright slivers position.



JohnM

[Michael Walton]

Pat Speer has done a good job about the paper sack and planting of evidence. You might want to read it and learn something:

http://www.patspeer.com/chapter4d%3Asackoflies

[Richard Smith]

The tape used to construct the bag was from the TSBD dispenser. The bag was made in the TSBD, the question is when and who by? The Oswald did it narrative would have us believe he made it, guessed the rifle length incorrectly, and therefore had to disassemble the rifle and reassemble. Presumably one end was sealed with tape but I have yet to see anything suggesting the other end was sealed. Obviously he would have sealed the other end with something. Parts might fall out during transport and when stored in the TSBD would be easy for someone to look inside and unsealed bag.

The bag looks more like a wrapper that was made to cover the intact rifle.

Not exactly sure why it is "obvious" that he would have sealed both ends.  He has to put the rifle in the bag and take it out.  So he has to leave one end open when he constructs the bag at the TSBD.  And then he just holds the bag upright and folds down that end.  Gravity does the rest.  Assassinating the president entails enormous risk.  On that scale, the risk of his bag coming open was pretty small. 

[Richard Smith]

The second issue are folding lines. Once Oswald took the rifle out of the bag, he did what? Folded it four-five times neatly? CE 142 has at least eight, more likely ten folding lines which suggest it was folded four times and stored. Somebody would say that these folding lines originate from the time Oswald created the sack but it is impossible. There is no chance he created the sack in TSBD, folded it, put in his pocket, took to the Ruth Peine garage, packed the rifle, handled it, took to the car, took again, carried to the TSBD, took the rifle out... And after all that, there is no way sack to have folds as we see on the photos.
What I think that happened was that while investigating and interrogating Oswald and witnesses, particularly BWF, DPD came to the question of rifle sack. BWF told that he saw Oswald was carrying a paper sack and he told about curtain rods so the officers were sent back to the TSBD to find any similar object to paper sack. There they found a folded paper bag and assumed that was the sack BWF was talking about.
CE 142 could be found anywhere inside TSBD and there is no photographic evidence to place it between the box and two pipes next to the window as it was stated by DPD officers.
Once again, due to the shape of the paper sack and the folding lines, I think it has nothing to do with Oswald and the rifle on 22/11/1963.

I don't see anything here that supports the conclusion that it is somehow "impossible" for the folds to have been created when Oswald smuggled it to Paine's house.  In addition, wasn't the bag found BEFORE the DPD heard the story about Oswald's bag from Frazier?  I don't recall the timeline on that but Frazier left the TSBD and wasn't interviewed about Oswald until later.  If so, that would have made the scenario that you suggest impossible (i.e. the DPD hears the bag story from Frazier then go searching for a bag).  There are pictures of the bag coming out of the building between 2 and 3PM.