Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

[Colin Crow]

A felicitous print overkill at that....more convenient/opportune evidence left for the cops to "find"---
 

Looks like 11 and 18 points for the matches.

[Walt Cakebread]

The wrapper was removed from the TSBD about 3pm by Montgomery. He is officially credited with finding CE142 some time after Studebaker finished processing the bottle and bag near where Johnson was stationed (west of the SN). Johnson carried out the lunch sack and bottle This was after Day had departed with CE139 about 2pm. Before he left the building Day and Studebaker visited the wrapping table to collect "samples".

is there any evidence that it was taken back to the TSBD for sniper’s nest reconstruction purposes?

It could not be used for "reconstruction" ie; (Creating false evidence)  because it had been stained by the FBI in the testing for finger prints.....

Anyone catch the problem with this chronology?

I believe Montgomery's wrist watch indicates the time of 2:20 when he and Detective Johnson depart the TSBD with the huge paper bag ( wrapping paper) a Dr Pepper bottle and some cigarettes buts that had been collected as evidence .....

I am unsure if the bag was locked up the same way the rifle was as Day was working on and transporting the rifle on occasions that afternoon and evening.


So far no one has claimed that CE142 was sealed at both ends. I take it that the LN supporters are all comfortable with this.

I believe Detective Day left the TSBD with the carcano at about 2:00 pm... ( the bag was first imagined to be the container by which the rifle had been smuggled into the TSBD AFTER  Day had left the building with the rifle) I doubt that they compared the length of the carcano with the length of the bag....because if they had,.... they would have known that the rifle was too long to fit in that bag, and they never would have suggested that the rifle was smuggled into the TSBD in that bag.    However Fritz knew the script called for the Patsy to have carried the carcano into the TSBD in a paper sack, and when he was informed that the sack was too small to contain the rifle , he immediately responded;.....Quote....  "Well then he must have broke the rifle down then...and I'm sure he did" Unquote.    Now, THAT'S first class detective work!!     Unfortunately for Mr Top Notch detective's brilliant deduction ...The bag was too small to hold the disassembled rifle...

[Walt Cakebread]

A felicitous print overkill at that....more convenient/opportune evidence left for the cops to "find"---
 

Notice that Detective Mandela  was working with a PHOTOGRAPH that allegedly was a photo of the underside of the gun barrel  ......

[Colin Crow]

I believe Detective Day left the TSBD with the carcano at about 2:00 pm... ( the bag was first imagined to be the container by which the rifle had been smuggled into the TSBD AFTER  Day had left the building with the rifle) I doubt that they compared the length of the carcano with the length of the bag....because if they had,.... they would have known that the rifle was too long to fit in that bag, and they never would have suggested that the rifle was smuggled into the TSBD in that bag.    However Fritz knew the script called for the Patsy to have carried the carcano into the TSBD in a paper sack, and when he was informed that the sack was too small to contain the rifle , he immediately responded;.....Quote....  "Well then he must have broke the rifle down then...and I'm sure he did" Unquote.    Now, THAT'S first class detective work!!     Unfortunately for Mr Top Notch detective's brilliant deduction ...The bag was too small to hold the disassembled rifle...

If the bag was never sealed at both ends it served as a wrapper for the intact rifle. Montgomery and Johnson never saw CE139 at the time of its discovery. Day left the building at 2pm after visiting the first floor wrapping table with Studebaker to collect samples for a bag that had not been found yet.

[Bill Chapman]

The wrapper was removed from the TSBD about 3pm by Montgomery. He is officially credited with finding CE142 some time after Studebaker finished processing the bottle and bag near where Johnson was stationed (west of the SN). Johnson carried out the lunch sack and bottle This was after Day had departed with CE139 about 2pm. Before he left the building Day and Studebaker visited the wrapping table to collect "samples".

Anyone catch the problem with this chronology?

I am unsure if the bag was locked up the same way the rifle was as Day was working on and transporting the rifle on occasions that afternoon and evening.

So far no one has claimed that CE142 was sealed at both ends. I take it that the LN supporters are all comfortable with this.

The wrapper was removed from the TSBD about 3pm by Montgomery.

Not quite. Since when is 2:19 your 'about 3pm'?

The Long Brown Bag
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bag.htm
The bag was photographed being brought out the front of the Depository at 2:19 p.m. (Trask, Pictures of the Pain)

[Charles Collins]

If the bag was never sealed at both ends it served as a wrapper for the intact rifle. Montgomery and Johnson never saw CE139 at the time of its discovery. Day left the building at 2pm after visiting the first floor wrapping table with Studebaker to collect samples for a bag that had not been found yet.

From the Sixth Floor Museum's Oral History by Carl Day 1996:


Bob: One of the questions that I think has come up is the bag that Oswald‟s rifle was in. There weren‟t any pictures made of that? Do you remember seeing that in that area?
Carl: Yes, there was a bag, a brown bag, there. It was made out of wrapping paper, and we collected that bag.
Bob: You did collect it, but you didn‟t photograph it?
Carl: There should be a picture of it somewhere.
Bob: Now where was it now, where was it? Kind of behind the boxes, do you remember?
Carl: To the best of my knowledge, it was to the right on the floor of where he was sitting, on the box that I showed you a minute ago. It may have been the right, it may have been the left, but there was a bag there.
Bob: Left would be like in the corner…
Carl: Yes, in the corner out back towards the north side of the building, where you headed up to it.
Bob: What did it look like to you, then, if you collected it, did you not know what it was?
Carl: I didn't know anything about a bag at that time. There was a bag laying there, at the first thing, there was a brown paper bag, it was too big for that. Later examination indicated that it was a bag had been made out of wrapping paper. It appeared to be shipping paper, and there was a roll in the shipping department downstairs that sent me the paper. Of course at that time, we didn‟t know anything about Oswald, didn‟t know anything about what happened. There was a bag there and it was collected.

(Emphasis added by me)

Please keep in mind that Carl Day had been retired for 20-years by 1996. And he had not kept up with the conspiracy theories...

[Walt Cakebread]

From the Sixth Floor Museum's Oral History by Carl Day 1996:


Bob: One of the questions that I think has come up is the bag that Oswald‟s rifle was in. There weren‟t any pictures made of that? Do you remember seeing that in that area?
Carl: Yes, there was a bag, a brown bag, there. It was made out of wrapping paper, and we collected that bag.
Bob: You did collect it, but you didn‟t photograph it?
Carl: There should be a picture of it somewhere.
Bob: Now where was it now, where was it? Kind of behind the boxes, do you remember?
Carl: To the best of my knowledge, it was to the right on the floor of where he was sitting, on the box that I showed you a minute ago. It may have been the right, it may have been the left, but there was a bag there.
Bob: Left would be like in the corner…
Carl: Yes, in the corner out back towards the north side of the building, where you headed up to it.
Bob: What did it look like to you, then, if you collected it, did you not know what it was?
Carl: I didn't know anything about a bag at that time. There was a bag laying there, at the first thing, there was a brown paper bag, it was too big for that. Later examination indicated that it was a bag had been made out of wrapping paper. It appeared to be shipping paper, and there was a roll in the shipping department downstairs that sent me the paper. Of course at that time, we didn‟t know anything about Oswald, didn‟t know anything about what happened. There was a bag there and it was collected.

(Emphasis added by me)

Please keep in mind that Carl Day had been retired for 20-years by 1996. And he had not kept up with the conspiracy theories...

John Carl Day was THE biggest liar at the Dallas police department....   So why would you post the liar's testimony?

[Pat Speer]

The wrapper was removed from the TSBD about 3pm by Montgomery.

Not quite. Since when is 2:19 your 'about 3pm'?

The Long Brown Bag
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bag.htm
The bag was photographed being brought out the front of the Depository at 2:19 p.m. (Trask, Pictures of the Pain)

Trask didn't have access to the digitized copies of the bag in front of the building now available. As first noticed by the late great researcher John Hunt, and presented on the Lancer Forum, if I recall, Montgomery's watch was fairly clear in one of the photos. Here is a close-up of that watch.