Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

[Pat Speer]

Try to respond better
You'd face those (post#134) asks in court

The Long Brown Bag
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bag.htm
'The bag was photographed being brought out the front of the Depository at 2:19 p.m. (Trask, Pictures of the Pain, p338)

1. This isn't a court room, and if it was, the judge would give you a warning about abusing the witness. I thought we were researchers with a shared interest sharing different viewpoints. You could have asked for more info, instead of jumping to your stance that Hunt and/or myself are liars who'd faked a photo to make a relatively minor point. I mean, do you know anything about Hunt, and all the stuff he found, simply by going to the archives, and looking?

2. I re-checked Trask, again, and you are 100% wrong. While discussing Smith, Trask notes that one of his earliest photos shows the Hertz sign on top of the TSBD, and that it reads 2:19. He then proceeds to discuss a number of photos including the bag photos.

The photo in question, moreover, almost certainly came from Smith. Trask says Smith took two photos of Montgomery. This must be the lesser known of the two. As stated, John Hunt found it in the archives. Here it is.

[Colin Crow]

Mr. BELIN. Was there anything inside the bag, if you know, when you found it?
Mr. DAY. I did not open the bag. I did not look inside of the bag at all.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do with the bag after you found it and you put this writing on after you dusted it?
Mr. DAY. I released it to the FBI agent.
Mr. BELIN. Did you take it down to the station with you?
Mr. DAY. I didn't take it with me. I left it with the men when I left. I left Detectives Hicks and Studebaker to bring this in with them when they brought other equipment in.

Mr. HICKS. I had--my wife, I believe it was called me from her work. She had heard, of the happening and knowing that I was off, of course, she figured I would be called, so when she called me, I called in to Lieutenant Knight, who is also in the identification bureau, and told him that I was getting ready and if they needed me to report, to call me and tell me where to go to, and so he did. Oh, I don't know exactly how long it had taken place and the exact time that he did call me. The time right there, I can't recall. I know I did get to work somewhere around 3.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go to work, at the crime lab?
Mr. HICKS. No, sir; they told me to report directly to Elm and Houston.
Mr. BALL. Did you go down there?
Mr. HICKS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. When you went down there what did you find?
Mr. HICKS. Lieutenant Day--well, first I saw Chief Lumpkin, who told me Lieutenant Day was there in the building and to report to him on the sixth floor, I believe it was and he and Detective Studebaker, I believe it was were the two that were still on that particular floor.
Mr. BALL. Day and Studebaker?
Mr. HICKS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you do some work with them?
Mr. HICKS. Yes; there was--well, no. Lieutenant Day was dusting several items around there for fingerprints at the time and Mr. Studebaker had taken some pictures and was still taking a few others. I assisted him in moving the equipment back and forth and I don't know, I don't believe I actually took any of the pictures upstairs; however, I was there when some of them were taken.


Mr. BALL. Did you ever see a paper sack in the items that were taken from the Texas School Book Depository building?
Mr. HICKS. Paper bag?
Mr. BALL. Paper bag.
Mr. HICKS. No, sir; I did not. It seems like there was some chicken bones or maybe a lunch; no, I believe that someone had gathered it up.
Mr. BALL. Well, this was another type of bag made out of brown paper; did you ever see it?
Mr. HICKS. No, sir; I don't believe I did. I don't recall it.

[John Iacoletti]

1. This isn't a court room, and if it was, the judge would give you a warning about abusing the witness. I thought we were researchers with a shared interest sharing different viewpoints.

Pat, meet Bill Chapman.  He's nothing of the sort.  He's here to exchange pithy one-liners and post irrelevant clips from feature films.  He knows nothing about the case or the evidence, but is really adept at cutting and pasting McAdams and Bugliosi (sometimes without attribution).

[Colin Crow]

Am I correct in understanding that the fingerprint matches on the bag by the FBI consisted of 11 and 18 points?

[Jerry Freeman]

Well, photo-manipulation techniques are available

Oh yeah?
 That is just what Oswald said when confronted with the BY pictures. 
Thing of it is...he told the cops where they could find all the rest of his stuff [at the Paine's]
 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29106
 The report states that LHO "became arrogant'' when they kept drilling him about the photos.
Why would Oswald direct the cops to find pictures that would incriminate him and then deny he had any knowledge of them?

[Walt Cakebread]

Oh yeah?
 That is just what Oswald said when confronted with the BY pictures. 
Thing of it is...he told the cops where they could find all the rest of his stuff [at the Paine's]
 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29106
 The report states that LHO "became arrogant'' when they kept drilling him about the photos.
Why would Oswald direct the cops to find pictures that would incriminate him and then deny he had any knowledge of them?

Lee didn't deny knowledge of THEM ( plural)   He said the onethat Fritz showed him on SaPersonay, (at about 1:00 pm,)  BEFORE they searched Paines garage ( at about 3:30) was a fake.     Since it is established that CE 133A and CE133B were found in Paines garage at about 3:30 SaPersonay afternoon..... Then the only photo that they could have shown Lee  was 133c, and  Lee told them it was a fake.... 

[Jerry Freeman]

Lee didn't deny knowledge of THEM ( plural)   He said the onethat Fritz showed him on SaPersonay, (at about 1:00 pm,)  BEFORE they searched Paines garage ( at about 3:30) was a fake.     Since it is established that CE 133A and CE133B were found in Paines garage at about 3:30 SaPersonay afternoon..... Then the only photo that they could have shown Lee  was 133c, and  Lee told them it was a fake....

Walt if you read the report that I linked...
 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29106

"when the photographs were presented to Oswald he sneered at them saying that they were fake..."

Bill was being ironic.

Not impressed with the irony.

[Charles Collins]

You believe the rifle had previously been transported in Oswald's duffel bag. Oswald regularly had Marina do his washing when he went to the Paine's on weekends. He had not visited the previous weekend so there was no need for any curtain rod story. He simply could have used an excuse about laundry to Frazier and used the duffel bag to transport the rifle hidden amongst some clothing. There was no need for a paper bag to be constructed. But there was a concoction of a "curtain rod" story by Frazier.

Even disassembled, the rifle would have been longer than the typical military duffel bag and therefore would have had to stick out exposed to view (it was not possible to completely hide it among his clothes). The typical bag like I was issued had 3 grommets spaced at ninety degrees apart around the top opening that were placed over a fourth grommet which included an integral elongated ring. This procedure closed off the top and then a hook with a spring closure attached to the end of the carrying strap was then hooked to the elongated ring over the grommets to secure everything. If something thin (like a rifle) needed to stick out because it was too long, one of the three grommets could be left off of the elongated ring to create a small opening so the rifle could stick out. And the remainder of the top opening would be closed. Wrapped up in a blanket among the rest of their possessions, it apparently didn't attract suspicion from the Paines. But it certainly wouldn't have looked like part of his clothing if he took it to the TSBD.

In my opinion, the genesis of the curtain rod idea came from seeing the Paine's curtain rods (which were stored on a shelf in their garage). The were enclosed in none other than brown shipping paper similar to the stuff used by the TSBD shipping department. It is easy for me to believe that LHO most likely saw those curtain rods in the garage at some point. And just as easy to believe that his idea for getting his rifle into the TSBD disguised as curtain rods came from seeing them and the wrapping paper operation at the TSBD. It was a decent idea that fooled Frasier, and, if questioned by coworkers, he could have said the same thing to them.