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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #168 on: March 05, 2020, 01:07:35 AM »
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From what photos I’ve seen , the palm print on the bag is near the taped EDGE such that 4 fingers are extending BEYOND the edge

None of those fingerprints were apparently found on the opposite side of the bag which is odd if the hand was gripping the package, those fingers are wrapped around a cylindrical volume if rifle parts inside the bag

This suggests the palm print was placed on the bag while it was FLAT


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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #169 on: March 05, 2020, 01:21:23 AM »

That would be the one the FBI showed Michael Paine on Friday evening when they wanted to know where the photo was taken, and Paine told him it was Neely Street.

Yes, I'd agree IF  If that's the way it happened....But I suspect that it was Michael Paine who presented the BY photo (133c) to the authorities.....Not the other way around.    Think about it..... Why would the police ask Micheal Paine about where a photo was taken?

I'l tell you why.... Because Paine presented the photo... and then they asked him if he knew where it was taken.

Actually, it was an FBI agent who showed the photo to Paine, not the police.

Your scenario doesn't really make much sense to me, Walt, because if Paine had given the FBI or the police the photograph on Friday evening, he would have had to explain where he got it, wouldn't he? Also, it would make his claim that he did not know Oswald had a rifle impossible.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #170 on: March 05, 2020, 01:41:47 AM »
Actually, it was an FBI agent who showed the photo to Paine, not the police.

Your scenario doesn't really make much sense to me, Walt, because if Paine had given the FBI or the police the photograph on Friday evening, he would have had to explain where he got it, wouldn't he? Also, it would make his claim that he did not know Oswald had a rifle impossible.

he would have had to explain where he got it, wouldn't he?

How do you know that he didn't simply tell them that Lee had gave him the photo.....  Do you doubt that Lee gave a photo to De Morhenschildt?   

Also, it would make his claim that he did not know Oswald had a rifle impossible.

Paine denied that he knew that Lee had a rifle on 11/22/63??   


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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #171 on: March 05, 2020, 01:54:37 AM »
But that would be hell of a way to "conceal" a rifle he had just used in an attempted murder, don't you think?

Even in today’s paranoid world with all the security measures, etc., people travel with firearms. As long as they aren’t in their carry-on items they are permissible. And there wasn’t exactly an active dragnet of police activity looking for Walker’s attacker when LHO traveled to New Orleans. So, no..,

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« Reply #172 on: March 05, 2020, 01:58:43 AM »
Even in today’s paranoid world with all the security measures, etc., people travel with firearms. As long as they aren’t in their carry-on items they are permissible. And there wasn’t exactly an active dragnet of police activity looking for Walker’s attacker when LHO traveled to New Orleans. So, no..,

You are missing the point. Sure, many people travel with firearms, but how many of those have just used that weapon to shoot somebody? It's about Oswald's frame of mind. Having just tried to kill a man with that rifle, would he risk transporting it in a duffelbag with the barrel sticking out? I seriously doubt it....

But it is once again clear that you are using biased speculation to try to shape the narrative towards your own opinion.
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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #173 on: March 05, 2020, 02:10:30 AM »
he would have had to explain where he got it, wouldn't he?

How do you know that he didn't simply tell them that Lee had gave him the photo.....  Do you doubt that Lee gave a photo to De Morhenschildt?   

Also, it would make his claim that he did not know Oswald had a rifle impossible.

Paine denied that he knew that Lee had a rifle on 11/22/63??

How do you know that he didn't simply tell them that Lee had gave him the photo.

I don't, but then I also don't know if he had a photograph to give to begin with.

Do you doubt that Lee gave a photo to De Morhenschildt?

I have some reservations about that, yes....

Paine denied that he knew that Lee had a rifle on 11/22/63??

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever observe or hear prior to the assassination that Lee Oswald had been practicing with a rifle?
Mr. PAINE - No, I didn't know prior to the assassination, we didn't know he had a rifle. I had supposed from my conversation with him back on Neely Street that he would like to have a rifle but I didn't gather that he did.
Mr. LIEBELER - Aside from whether or not you knew that he had a rifle, did you ever hear or observe him practicing with a rifle?
Mr. PAINE - No, I did not.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #174 on: March 05, 2020, 02:20:22 AM »
You are missing the point. Sure, many people travel with firearms, but how many of those have just used that weapon to shoot somebody? It's about Oswald's frame of mind. Having just tried to kill a man with that rifle, would he risk transporting it in a duffelbag with the barrel sticking out? I seriously doubt it....

But it is once again clear that you are using biased speculation to try to shape the narrative towards your own opinion.

This is Colin’s remark that inspired the reply containing conjecture regarding the duffel bag:

I find the notion that Oswald would construct a bag to transport the rifle, find that in order for the rifle to fit disassembled it, then simply leave the open end unsealed during transport, laughable.

I was simply pointing out that it could have been made intentionally to fit the disassembled rifle.

Furthermore, LHO was laughing at the cops because they apparently had no clue that he was the one shooting at Walker. His frame of mind was more like Alfred E. Newman’s (What, me worry).

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« Reply #175 on: March 05, 2020, 02:36:29 AM »
This is Colin’s remark that inspired the reply containing conjecture regarding the duffel bag:

I find the notion that Oswald would construct a bag to transport the rifle, find that in order for the rifle to fit disassembled it, then simply leave the open end unsealed during transport, laughable.

I was simply pointing out that it could have been made intentionally to fit the disassembled rifle.

Furthermore, LHO was laughing at the cops because they apparently had no clue that he was the one shooting at Walker. His frame of mind was more like Alfred E. Newman’s (What, me worry).

The advantage of transporting a disassembled rifle to reduce the length by a whopping 3” (8%). Then relying on an insecure fold over to prevent bits falling out or someone simple peeking are the things I cannot consider as plausible.

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