Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[John Iacoletti]

That's a good point, Walt.  It's one thing to say "I glanced at it and it looked like a Mauser".  It's quite another thing to give a detailed description that doesn't actually fit the thing supposedly being described.

[Walt Cakebread]

He filmed somebody picking it up off the floor.  That doesn't mean it was the moment it was discovered.

He filmed somebody picking it up off the floor.  That doesn't mean it was the moment it was discovered.

Surely you recognize Detective JC  Day as the man picking up the carcano.....   And yes you're right ...Weitznan and Boone had discovered the carcano about 10 or 15 minutes prior to Day picking up the rifle.  So it was discovered sometime prior to Alyea's filming the removal of the rifle.

[Gary Craig]

Can you tell me exactly what those photos have to do with what I'd said?

BTW, if you've been around milsurps for a bit and look closely, you'll notice the tool marks where some took a grinder to the top of the receivers on the top two rifles (it's easier to see on the second photo).  That's because the Argentine government required that their military rifles have the national crest removed from their surplus firearms before they could sold for export. The "7.65 Mauser" was added decades after the rifles' manufacture. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed in reaction to RFK's assassination.  One of it's provisions was that imported firearms were required to have the caliber engraved on the weapon after 1968. In the two top cases, you're looking at the result.   

The bottom example is a k98 made during the Nazi era. There is no "7.65" (it would be chambered for 8mm x 57), so I have no idea what you're getting at.

"you'll notice the tool marks where some took a grinder to the top of the receivers on the top two rifles (it's easier to see on the second photo).  That's because the Argentine government required that their military rifles have the national crest removed from their surplus firearms before they could sold for export."

Yes, you're correct. Argentina started grinding their national crest off exported rifles in the 1930's.

https://gunsinthenews.com/1891-argentine-mauser-history/

"Collectors in the U.S., though, often find the national crest ground off of Argentine 1891 Mausers. This was done in the aftermath of the Chaco War of 1935, which pitted Bolivia and Paraguay against one another in a vicious albeit brief struggle for control of South America’s resource-rich Chaco Boreal. Argentina provided Paraguay with a large number of Model 1891 Mausers during the conflict in a move that jeopardized its relationship with Bolivia. The presence of unground national crests made it impossible to deny Argentina’s direct support for Paraguay, so after the war Argentina instituted a law requiring the removal of the national crest from any gun leaving the country. Although the government in Buenos Aires later dropped this requirement, by then most of the Argentine 1891 Mausers had been ground, and this accounts for why it is rare to find one with the crest intact."

The "7.65 Mauser" was added decades after the rifles' manufacture. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed in reaction to RFK's assassination.  One of it's provisions was that imported firearms were required to have the caliber engraved on the weapon after 1968.

That doesn't mean 7.65 wasn't added to any exported rifles before 1968. Seems like it would be a natural to add it to the place where the national crest was was ground off the rifles.

 Also, since the majority of the Argentine '91 7.65 rifles imported into the US had the national crest ground off, and Boone and Weitzman were, according to you and most WC apologists, making a guess after a quick glance, could you show me the area on the TSBD Carcano where the crest was ground off that would have given them that impression?

[Walt Cakebread]

That's a good point, Walt.  It's one thing to say "I glanced at it and it looked like a Mauser".  It's quite another thing to give a detailed description that doesn't actually fit the thing supposedly being described.

Thank you, John.....Now here's something that I never would have known if Mitch hadn't posted such nice clear colored photos of the Carcano carrying strap....



The official tale regarding the carrying strap says that Lee Oswald made the strap from an old US Air Force pistol holster...... The photo that Mitch posted shows the rivets are European type rivets....  Did the US Air Force purchase equipment from European manufacturers ??    And if Lee made the strap....would he have use European rivets?   And how long does it take for verdigris to form? ....     There is verdigris  on the rivets? 

[John Iacoletti]

I didn't even know there were European type rivets...

[Bill Chapman]

And why the hell would Oswald even need a jacket when it was barely 1:00 in the afternoon in hot ass Texas? He was already wearing a long sleeve flannel shirt, which he was arrested in.

Dallas temp was about 50°F (10°C) with gusty winds, and note that people were wearing jackets, overcoats. etc.

[Jack Trojan]

He filmed somebody picking it up off the floor.  That doesn't mean it was the moment it was discovered.

Surely you recognize Detective JC  Day as the man picking up the carcano.....   And yes you're right ...Weitznan and Boone had discovered the carcano about 10 or 15 minutes prior to Day picking up the rifle.  So it was discovered sometime prior to Alyea's filming the removal of the rifle.

So Walt, do you still think there was absolutely, positively no Mauser? And if you think Weitzman actually did handle a Mauser, then don't you owe Roger Craig an apology for calling him a mental case and for wanting to piss on his grave?

[Walt Cakebread]

So Walt, do you still think there was absolutely, positively no Mauser? And if you think Weitzman actually did handle a Mauser, then don't you owe Roger Craig an apology for calling him a mental case and for wanting to piss on his grave?

Roger Craig...LIED and said that the carcano was actually a mauser.....   I never said that there was no mauser involved "somewhere" in the pile of information  / dis- information.  I think I've been clear on my position that the rifle that Weitzman and Boone discovered  was a 6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano.

Roger Craig is responsible for many shallow reasoning individuals who  spew the garbage that the rifle was a  Mauser....  Craig lied, and people who refuse to extract their heads and open their EYES, and LOOK, at Tom Alyea's film,  believed Roger Craig...

No, I absolutely DO NOT owe Roger Craig an apology.....