Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[Walt Cakebread]

I can't even figure out how you're so sure that Weitzman held anything that day. Sayers' report is hearsay, not even a quote. The D/FW FBI team was interviewing an awful lot of people over that weekend, retreating to their offices in the the Federal building, then reconstructing those interviews from whatever notes they took combined with whatever they could remember. Given the workload, exacting accuracy might not be wisely expected.

How can you not talk about a "very specific description of a 7.65 mauser" and not have "petty arguments about the features of Argentine Mausers?"

I can't even figure out how you're so sure that Weitzman held anything that day. Sayers' report is hearsay, not even a quote. The D/FW FBI team was interviewing an awful lot of people over that weekend, retreating to their offices in the the Federal building, then reconstructing those interviews from whatever notes they took combined with whatever they could remember. Given the workload, exacting accuracy might not be wisely expected.

Now you're answering the question....You're saying that A1bert Sawers didn't write his report after he and Detective "Charlie" Brown interviewed Weitzman, And that Sawer's just worked from notes that he jotted down.   You may be right, because I've wondered if Sawyer's was drunk when he wrote that report, because he screwed up some of the details.....Details that we know are facts ....... 

Do you know if Weitzman ever read that report? 

[Jerry Freeman]

A reporter for the DMN reported in an story in the DMN for April 24, 1964, that FBI special agent James Hosty told Lt. Jack Revill of the DPD that

We knew that he was capable of assassinating the president, but we didn't dream that he would do it"

According to Lt  Jack Revill   it was this statement that prompted him to report Hosty's remarks to his boss, Captain Gannaway.

Remember my Charles Givens post? The one where no Oswald did it supporter ever commented on? Because it exposes Revill for the back stabbing slimy weasel that he was?
About the cowardly Givens that changed his testimony in order for the cops to frame Oswald?
This post.................
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1960.msg53015.html#msg53015
 Crooked cop Revill ----  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11133#relPageId=304

[Jerry Freeman]

'Chapman' is generic for the hunters of trolls

Don't flatter yourself

[Bill Chapman]

Don't flatter yourself

All LNers share equally in the hunt.

'Freeman' is generic for the CT 'all-evidence-is-faked-planted-altered-in-some-way' crowd.

[Jack Trojan]

Alyea didn't say that Fritz staged the photos of the cartridge cases. Alyea said that he filmed the cases from over the top of boxes on the West side of the SN. When Alyea wanted a closeup shot of the shells, Fritz picked them up and held them up to the camera.  And where did Alyea say that Fritz staged anything with the rifle?

Sez you. Are you trying to split hairs re Fritz staging the crime scene? WTF was the Captain of the DPD faking an "official forensic" in situ photo of the ejection pattern of the 6.5mm spent hulls in the sniper's nest? Roger "the liar" Craig said about 10 minutes before the rifle was discovered he came across 3 hulls near the window in the sniper's nest lined up in a tight group no more than an inch apart. Then Fritz came along and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and placed them in his pocket. No in situ photo, no picking them up with a pencil and bagging them and definitely NOT touching them without gloves. Don't you realize that very action is the smoking gun of this case? Why would a seasoned detective tamper with crucial evidence to the Crime of the Century unless he was implicated somehow? Did he panic? Was he a buffoon? You tell me.

The most significant day in Fritz's career was being tasked to lead the investigation into the assassination of the POTUS at ground zero. So what does he do? He stages photos of the crime scene and tampers with evidence. The DPD were so dirty in all this it is laughable that anyone could deny it. Fritz tampering with evidence at the crime scene, their convergence on Oswald less than an hour after he supposedly shot JFK. The backyard photos have DPD stink all over them. And finally delivering Oswald to Ruby to give them plausible deniability for Oswald's murder.

And then the LNers congratulate Ol' Cappy Fritz for some damn fine detective work. He solved the case in record time and took out the lone nut assassin who whacked JFK. Top shelf! Suckers.

[Mitch Todd]

The very detailed description given by Seymour Weitzman cannot be dismissed as the "quick glimpse" that Weitzman said he got of the rifle as it lay on the floor beneath the boxes of books.   The fact that FBI agent A1bert Sawyers said that Captain Fritz came and took the rifle away from Weitzman, is a positive statement that Weitzman actually had the 7.65 Mauser in his hands.

We know that Fritz never took any rifle away from Weitzman in the TSBD that afternoon.....So when did Fritz present a mauser to Weitzman , and what was Fritz's motive from putting Weitzman on record as identifying  a rifle as a 7.65 Mauser??

Whaddya mean by "very detailed?" The color of the rifle's metal, color and general surface and condition of the stock, and the sling are things that could be gathered in seconds from 10 feet. The wear on the safety, rear bolt, and bolt handle don't require much study of the rifle, even a few feet away. Ditto with the white letters on the black scope.

If it were a "very detailed" description I would expect to see a mention of the "Modelo Argentino 1891" that is prominently engraved on the side of the receiver and a serial number, which would appear in several places on the rifle. And Mr Craig reminds me the we should also have expected to see where the Argentine national crest had been removed from the top of the receiver, along with the bluing. 

[Mitch Todd]

Me: Alyea didn't say that Fritz staged the photos of the cartridge cases. Alyea said that he filmed the cases from over the top of boxes on the West side of the SN. When Alyea wanted a closeup shot of the shells, Fritz picked them up and held them up to the camera.  And where did Alyea say that Fritz staged anything with the rifle?

Sez you. Are you trying to split hairs re Fritz staging the crime scene? WTF was the Captain of the DPD faking an "official forensic" in situ photo of the ejection pattern of the 6.5mm spent hulls in the sniper's nest? Roger "the liar" Craig said about 10 minutes before the rifle was discovered he came across 3 hulls near the window in the sniper's nest lined up in a tight group no more than an inch apart. Then Fritz came along and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and placed them in his pocket. No in situ photo, no picking them up with a pencil and bagging them and definitely NOT touching them without gloves. Don't you realize that very action is the smoking gun of this case? Why would a seasoned detective tamper with crucial evidence to the Crime of the Century unless he was implicated somehow? Did he panic? Was he a buffoon? You tell me.

The most significant day in Fritz's career was being tasked to lead the investigation into the assassination of the POTUS at ground zero. So what does he do? He stages photos of the crime scene and tampers with evidence. The DPD were so dirty in all this it is laughable that anyone could deny it. Fritz tampering with evidence at the crime scene, their convergence on Oswald less than an hour after he supposedly shot JFK. The backyard photos have DPD stink all over them. And finally delivering Oswald to Ruby to give them plausible deniability for Oswald's murder.

And then the LNers congratulate Ol' Cappy Fritz for some damn fine detective work. He solved the case in record time and took out the lone nut assassin who whacked JFK. Top shelf! Suckers.

Not sez me. Sez Alyea. Now, I asked you a question. Where did Alyea say that Fritz staged anything with the rifle?

[Jerry Freeman]

All LNers share equally in the hunt. 'Freeman' is generic for the CT 'all-evidence-is-faked-planted-altered-in-some-way' crowd.

All LNers share equally in the hunt smell.
'Freeman' is generic for the CT 'all-evidence-is actually was-faked-planted-altered-or ignored-in-some-way' crowd.
And don't you forget it!
There I fixed it for you.