Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[Jerry Freeman]

You're neither clever, well-spoken, nor correct.

Oh ouch! I'd say why not go get a life...but in your case---it's way too late.

[Walt Cakebread]

Whaddya mean by "very detailed?" The color of the rifle's metal, color and general surface and condition of the stock, and the sling are things that could be gathered in seconds from 10 feet. The wear on the safety, rear bolt, and bolt handle don't require much study of the rifle, even a few feet away. Ditto with the white letters on the black scope.

If it were a "very detailed" description I would expect to see a mention of the "Modelo Argentino 1891" that is prominently engraved on the side of the receiver and a serial number, which would appear in several places on the rifle. And Mr Craig reminds me the we should also have expected to see where the Argentine national crest had been removed from the top of the receiver, along with the bluing.

Mitch, I had high hope that I was dealing with an honest man....   Looks like I was wrong.

[Bill Chapman]

Oh ouch! I'd say why not go get a life...but in your case---it's way too late.

Again, not clever

[Gerry Down]

Alyea didn't say that Fritz staged the photos of the cartridge cases. Alyea said that he filmed the cases from over the top of boxes on the West side of the SN. When Alyea wanted a closeup shot of the shells, Fritz picked them up and held them up to the camera.  And where did Alyea say that Fritz staged anything with the rifle?

This is probably one of the few things conspiracy theorists are right about. There is serious doubt the famous photo of the three shells on the ground is how the assassin left the scene. Fritz probably lifted one or more up and had a good look before putting it back.

[John Iacoletti]

It's also one rifle, a guy who doesn't know guns as well as he might like to believe, a guy who takes his cue from the guy who doesn't quite know guns that well, and a semi-pro liar who's spent years spinning a self-contradictory story.

Yes, I know that’s the excuse.

Where's the unambiguous evidence of two rifles in the depository? Who claimed that they saw two rifles in the depository? That's the kind of thing you need right now.

There isn’t unambiguous evidence of anything in this case.

[Jerry Freeman]

Again, not clever

Again, not clever
« Last Edit: Today at 12:09:04 PM by Bill Chapman »
You have to go back and edit three words?
Why don't you quit while you're behind on all this generic crap?

[Walt Cakebread]

Sez you. Are you trying to split hairs re Fritz staging the crime scene? WTF was the Captain of the DPD faking an "official forensic" in situ photo of the ejection pattern of the 6.5mm spent hulls in the sniper's nest? Roger "the liar" Craig said about 10 minutes before the rifle was discovered he came across 3 hulls near the window in the sniper's nest lined up in a tight group no more than an inch apart. Then Fritz came along and picked them up WITH HIS BARE HANDS and placed them in his pocket. No in situ photo, no picking them up with a pencil and bagging them and definitely NOT touching them without gloves. Don't you realize that very action is the smoking gun of this case? Why would a seasoned detective tamper with crucial evidence to the Crime of the Century unless he was implicated somehow? Did he panic? Was he a buffoon? You tell me.

The most significant day in Fritz's career was being tasked to lead the investigation into the assassination of the POTUS at ground zero. So what does he do? He stages photos of the crime scene and tampers with evidence. The DPD were so dirty in all this it is laughable that anyone could deny it. Fritz tampering with evidence at the crime scene, their convergence on Oswald less than an hour after he supposedly shot JFK. The backyard photos have DPD stink all over them. And finally delivering Oswald to Ruby to give them plausible deniability for Oswald's murder.

And then the LNers congratulate Ol' Cappy Fritz for some damn fine detective work. He solved the case in record time and took out the lone nut assassin who whacked JFK. Top shelf! Suckers.

The DPD were so dirty in all this it is insane that anyone could deny it. Fritz tampering with evidence at the crime scene, their convergence on Oswald less than an hour after he supposedly shot JFK. The backyard photos have DPD stink all over them. And finally delivering Oswald to Ruby to give them plausible deniability for Oswald's murder.

The evidence against Fritz, is far stronger than the evidence against Lee Oswald....  Unfortunately Fritz had the backing of the Dallas DA, Henry Wade, and the Director of the FBI J.Edgar Hoover, while Lee Oswald was simply just another hapless nobody, and "piss ant" and patriotic sucker to be exploited. 

[Gary Craig]

The Carcano receiver was blued; same with the Argie Mausers. Bluing is a surface treatment. When you grind off that surface, it exposes the underlying steel against the dark remaining bluing. Over many years, the exposed steel will develop a brownish patina, but even then, it's easy to tell the difference between the ground area and the blued OEM surface. And in 1963, the underlying steel wouldn't have had quite so much time to develop that patina. To my knowledge, no one ever claimed to have seen anything on the rifle found in the TSBD that would indicate such a modification.

I think that someone familiar enough with the Argentine Mauser to mistake the TSBD Carcano for one would also be familiar with 2 of it's main identifiable characteristics. The ground off Argentine national crest and the receiver markings noting the model designation and the manufacturer information.
My take from this is the opposite of yours. I don't think anyone mistook a Carcano for a Argentine Mauser. The logical conclusion is 2 rifles recovered. The Mauser didn't fit the LN story and was ghosted.

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The majority of model '91 Argentine 7.65 Mausers imported into the US had the Argentine national crest ground off.

https://gunsinthenews.com/1891-argentine-mauser-history/

"Collectors in the U.S., though, often find the national crest ground off of Argentine 1891 Mausers. This was done in the aftermath of the Chaco War of 1935, which pitted Bolivia and Paraguay against one another in a vicious albeit brief struggle for control of South America’s resource-rich Chaco Boreal. Argentina provided Paraguay with a large number of Model 1891 Mausers during the conflict in a move that jeopardized its relationship with Bolivia. The presence of unground national crests made it impossible to deny Argentina’s direct support for Paraguay, so after the war Argentina instituted a law requiring the removal of the national crest from any gun leaving the country. Although the government in Buenos Aires later dropped this requirement, by then most of the Argentine 1891 Mausers had been ground, and this accounts for why it is rare to find one with the crest intact."

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https://gunsinthenews.com/1891-argentine-mauser-history/

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"All of the 1891 Argentine Mauser rifles and carbines were manufactured in Berlin first at Ludwig Loewe & Company, and after 1896 at Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken Aktien-Gesellschaft (“DWM”)." 



(l.)" A 90-degree turndown bolt handle was standard on carbines. (ctr.) Graduated out to 2,000 meters, the rear sight also folds flat. (r.) Rollmarked from Berlin and shipped to Argentina, , the 1891 Mauser would also have the Argentine national crest on the front receiver band. Whether made by Loewe or DWM, the 1891 Argentine Mausers are beautifully made firearms well-known for their spectacular receiver markings. In addition to the model designation and the manufacturer information,"

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