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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Jack Ruby’s death bed confession
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2020, 07:43:13 PM »
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It seems Kilgallen was chasing this thread to New Orleans?

She seems to have done no research into the assassination after the publication of the Warren Report.

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Dorothy Kilgallen was a great conspiracy theorist who bucked the trend that LHO acted alone and felt that the key to uncover the truth was to be found in Jack Ruby.

She once thought ten people could testify that Oswald and Ruby were acquaintances, and allegations she was told like the rifle found on the sixth floor was a Mauser.

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She attended the trial and met with defense attorneys Belli and Tonahill etc.  That can't be denied.  In fact, she wanted to write a book and make a movie after what she saw or heard.

She was preparing a compilation book called Murder One.

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What is odd about her death is that all the research she had done for her upcoming book and possible movie all disappeared.

The book contents were outlined in an article ((Journal-American, Nov. 8, 1965) and there was no reference to the book including the JFK assassination or Jack Ruby.

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If she had serious evidence and nothing she had was true, why was it slid under the carpet and no traces found of it?  Normally, there should be nothing wrong with exposing it.    Instead, it became a dead end and anything she had collected, shredded.   

It was shredded?

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As CTers, that is what is most disturbing.  You don't have to look any further than many happenstances which just seem to get rid of people at convenience.  Whether it is accused leaker Seth Rich dying while jogging (no perpetrators found) or a "suicidal" Jeffrey Epstein hanging himself while cameras record nothing and guards sleep.   Hilary Clinton can pound apart her devices so no one can look at them and the Steele Dossier doesn't even enter into the investigation of the Mueller Report!   Life seems to be filled with happenstance which never gets investigated and you are lead to believe are non-issues.

The "pattern" becomes a trail of conspiracy, offering "peeks" at the dark state.

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Re: Jack Ruby’s death bed confession
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2020, 07:43:13 PM »


Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: Jack Ruby’s death bed confession
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2020, 04:16:41 AM »
She seems to have done no research into the assassination after the publication of the Warren Report.

She once thought ten people could testify that Oswald and Ruby were acquaintances, and allegations she was told like the rifle found on the sixth floor was a Mauser.

She was preparing a compilation book called Murder One.

The book contents were outlined in an article ((Journal-American, Nov. 8, 1965) and there was no reference to the book including the JFK assassination or Jack Ruby.

It was shredded?

The "pattern" becomes a trail of conspiracy, offering "peeks" at the dark state.

It seems this book came out long after she was dead and assigned her as a sole author?  Who put the book together would be a better question - from whose perspective was it written for or by who exactly?   It obviously didn't contain any significant material from her with regards to what she determined about Jack Ruby.  Someone else wrote it.  This means someone else plagiarized and used her name as author of her book and may have edited or allowed it to be edited/published as desired.   According to author Mark Shaw, Ms. Kilgallen didn't have a good relationship with her husband and could have even been a possible suspect in her death.  He mentions that not all the children she had were his.  Obviously she died alone and the husband was not present, meaning she wasn't at home with him when they found her in bed with clothes on and a book laying there as if she was reading.   He didn't find his wife, but the hairdresser did in the morning.  She was likely estranged from her husband at the time.

She met someone at the bar the night she died.   Obviously, in an investigation, they could have tried to determine if her doctor (or someone else?)  prescribed the strange barbiturate cocktail she took or if it was slipped in her drink.  Was it a matter of habit or routine or did she buy the 3 different drugs while drinking at the bar for an extra kick?   One would expect this as a routine investigation of someone so famous.  Was this investigated for this celebrity?  For example, We know that Michael Jackson's source for his anesthetic was his own private doctor.  Ms. Kilgallen was quite a famous lady at the time and that venue should have been thoroughly investigated.

About that book Murder One, someone seemed to indicate she wasn't the author (published 1967) and I quote this below.  I have not found the Wikipedia link yet, but quoted a man name Trevoc who says he researched connections. 

https://www.amazon.com/Murder-one-Dorothy-Kilgallen/dp/B007T4TJES


Here is the quote from Trevoc in 2012 in the book review:

"I admit to not having read this book, but as I do research conspiracies such as JFK assassination, 911 and other unsolved events, I found Kilgallen's connection to JFK assassination interesting. So, I researched further to learn more about her costars on Whats My Line? as well as her family and in the process, found that this book called "Murder One" was not at all written by Ms. Kilgallen.

Bennet Cerf, one of her co-panelists on Whats My Line?, was the owner of the book publishing company called Random House, and although he never admitted it, his wife admitted after Cerf's death that Kilgallen was not the author.

Here is the quote from Wikipedia

"Although Bennett Cerf was audiotaped on January 23, 1968 reminiscing about Kilgallen, he said nothing about her death or about the book Murder One that his company Random House had published in 1967 with the late Dorothy Kilgallen listed as the sole author. Years after his death, his widow Phyllis Fraser admitted to Kilgallen biographer Lee Israel that a writer named Allan Ullman actually had written it with Richard Kollmar's(Dorothy's husband) approval."


This account could very well be true as Allan Ullman's obituary in 1982 shows him associated with Random House.
https://www.nytimes.com/1982/03/17/obituaries/allan-ullman.html
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Re: Jack Ruby’s death bed confession
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2020, 07:33:38 PM »
It certainly would appear that Jack Ruby had involvement prior to his shooting of LHO.  He provides a "tip" to KLIF radio station (at  5:45).  That in itself is unusual since he became the killer of LHO soon thereafter!   In other words, it doesn't happen by happenstance but by clear and deliberate motive and action.     In my opinion, Ruby was a very important player.  What makes people believe he was a great patriot for what he did?   What we do know is that he owned a night/stripclub, had typical mafia connections and also enjoyed the company of Dallas Police officers who came to his club to drink and party and enjoy the nightshows he hosted!   In and of itself, that means nothing.  However, he could easily have ties to organized crime figures like Carlos Marcello or even to those police officers that frequented his club.  It seems Kilgallen was chasing this thread to New Orleans?

Dorothy Kilgallen was a great conspiracy theorist who bucked the trend that LHO acted alone and felt that the key to uncover the truth was to be found in Jack Ruby.   She attended the trial and met with defense attorneys Belli and Tonahill etc.  That can't be denied.  In fact, she wanted to write a book and make a movie after what she saw or heard.   She thought she could expose the lies and besides, she was a close and personal friend of JFK himself.   She seemed to enjoy the good life and was sharp - even up to a day or so before her death.    Was the way she died the way of the rich? or was it an accidental suicide?  She seemed to have a lot going for her.  The claim made in the video posted below seemed to indicate she had a drink with alcohol mixed with 3 different barbiturates.  This same fate would appear to coincide at the time with the death of Marilyn Monroe and Woolworth heir Donahue.  It seems the rich Woolworth family including Barbara Hutton had a lot of untimely deaths - drug OD - happenstance!   Truth is, what a better way to knock someone off by slipping something into their drink and make it appear as a suicide. 

What is odd about her death is that all the research she had done for her upcoming book and possible movie all disappeared.  If she had serious evidence and nothing she had was true, why was it slid under the carpet and no traces found of it?  Normally, there should be nothing wrong with exposing it.    Instead, it became a dead end and anything she had collected, shredded.   

As CTers, that is what is most disturbing.  You don't have to look any further than many happenstances which just seem to get rid of people at convenience.  Whether it is accused leaker Seth Rich dying while jogging (no perpetrators found) or a "suicidal" Jeffrey Epstein hanging himself while cameras record nothing and guards sleep.   Hilary Clinton can pound apart her devices so no one can look at them and the Steele Dossier doesn't even enter into the investigation of the Mueller Report!   Life seems to be filled with happenstance which never gets investigated and you are lead to believe are non-issues.

If you follow much of the newspaper articles done by Kilgallen and reported by Mark Shaw in his video "a reporter that knew too much", it follows that things have been hidden and remain hidden because truth hurts.   The fact that the "TSBD Museum" will only allow Jack Ruby defense trial transcripts to be entered into their archives at  their terms and control, suggests that they only want LHO narrative as a LNer to be posted for the public to see and to continue evidence manipulation.  What makes it so important that people are NOT allowed to see all evidence and form their own opinions and conclusions?   What is so critical about controlling the narrative?   A lot of good information is contained In Mark Shaw's video!  I know it is long but is well worth the watch as he shows columns that Dorothy Kilgallen wrote and quotes them on screen.

   

Allan, you are troublingly misinformed and do a deliberate disservice to your readers.


In the recently resurrected Kilgallen thread, I proved Kilgallen "biographer" Lee Israel, had crapped all over Simkin's forum. (If the poster Simkin introduced as Lee Israel, was in fact, Lee Israel!)
My warnings were ignored, at the time in 2012, and since, despite Lee Israel's exposure as a criminal forger. There is no policy at that
forum or the Spartacus biography pages to update or to disclaim. The result is nurturing of suspicion by misinfo. The stated goal is steady turn out of new Spartacus pages.... content to attract eyeballs at the expense of accuracy. Penn Jones was motivated to create and sell content via his local newspaper and book authorship BUSINESSES. The result of both of these prolific authors of successive generations is evident in every CT oriented forum and website. (whowhatwhy.com recently featured misinfo presented by author Peter Janney...)

I have volunteered as a moderator of comments submitted to both the Simkin and the jfkfacts.org forums. I got "sucked in" late, not until 2008.
My firsthand experience included being old enough to react to assassin Ruby, on the 24th, with profound concern. My only bias beyond that was the emotional shred from seeing JFK in person in 1962, riding by in an open car illuminated by a brilliant autumn sunset. It was not hard to plug that memory into the nightmare visuals of the Z film, a year later. When you are on the cusp of teenhood, a year is more like a decade seems, in the current stage of life. Almost five years passed; the losses of RFK and MLK, Jr descended in quick succession. Resistance to the war detoured me until 1977. Career and family life delivered me finally into the lap of the affordable PC, dial-up modem, gopher, Alta Vista, Lycos, and Excite search portals. 2008 and yet another election hinging on the outcome of illegal, avoidable war. An article was published, titled "Mr. Obama's Neighborhood".

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Mr. Obama's neighborhood - Magazine - Jerusalem Post (Originially published in 2008 in Jerusalem Post.)
https://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Mr-Obamas-neighborhood
Feb 15, 2010 - Traveling from the soaring skyscraper of Crown's General Dynamics .... "I said to him, 'Mr. Obama, someday you will be vice president of the United States. .... committed Jews support him, Lester Crown and Alan Solow among ...
Quite familiar with General Dynamics, I was entirely unfamiliar with Lester or his father, Henry.

I dove in, probably much too deeply, in hindsight. In 1957, Earl Warren's daughter, Virginia, was associated closely enough with dramatically older (than her) Henry Crown partner, Conrad Hilton, there was speculation in print that marriage was looming. A year later, Virginia married the middleaged host of "What's My Line" John C Daly.

A Simkin authored excerpt.: (preceded by a section with an emphasis on sexual themed gossip about DC pols generally and JFK particularly.)

This is sourced from a directly competing business (5 - NY Post quote) of the business Dorothy worked for.....
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https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKkilgallen.htm
Famous Crimes  > Dorothy Kilgallen
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(13) Lee Israel, Kilgallen (1979)
During one of her (Kilgallen’s) visits - sometime in March, before the verdict – she prevailed upon Joe Tonahill to make arrangements through Judge Brown for a private interview with Jack Ruby......
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(5) New York Post (28th April, 1960)
In recent months she (Dorothy Kilgallen) has often been in the company of singer Johnnie Ray, a troubled young man whose career suffered serious setbacks in the past few years. Her relationship to Ray has been described - there has never been a hint of anything else - as "maternal and protective," and sometimes her maternal instinct is positively fierce.

"I saw her at the Waldorf with Ray," a friend recalled. "She left the table for a moment and some young, pretty girl usurped her chair and proceeded to tell Ray how good she thought he was. Dorothy came back, flew at the girl telling her to 'Keep your hands off my escort and leave the table.' It was the only time I ever saw her lose her temper in public."

"It's an odd relationship - but it's certainly antiseptic," said society photographer Jerome Zerbe. "Ray is rather an insecure person and she gives him security and companionship. And he's an excellent escort for her - her husband is busy so many evenings. It's one of those relationships that is mutually satisfactory."...

(21) Donald Nolen, review of Lee Israel, Kilgallen, Amazon (14th January, 2004)
So posterity needs to evaluate each mysterious death according to how plausible the murder theory is. Lee Israel puts in this book some evidence that a broken love affair with Johnnie Ray and the fall of the Hearst newspaper empire gave Dorothy Kilgallen trouble sleeping, and she could have mixed barbiturates with booze. But Lee also details the strange circumstances of Dorothy's death.....
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(15) William Penn Jones, The Midlothian Mirror (November 25, 1965)
I have a concern for the strange things happening in America in recent months....
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(16) William Penn Jones, Volume I: Forgive My Grief (1966)
Now we can add to that list of strange deaths that of Miss Dorothy Kilgallen...
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(18) William Penn Jones, Volume II: Forgive My Grief (1967)
Tom Howard knew too much from Ruby and he knew too well how the Dallas power structure and Police Department worked. Howard had to die....
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http://gaycultureland.blogspot.com/2016/10/johnnie-ray.html
Thursday, 27 October 2016
Johnnie Ray
After Frank Sinatra, and before Elvis and the Beatles, there was an unlikely pop idol - gangly, effete and adorned with a clumsy hearing aid who was met at airports by screaming girls who tore the clothes from his limbs. This man was gay and his name was Johnnie Ray.


.....Despite her knowledge of the solicitation arrest, Marilyn Morrison, daughter of the owner of West Hollywood's Mocambo nightclub, married Ray at the peak of his American fame. Aware of Ray's sexuality, Morrison told a friend she would "straighten it out." The couple separated in 1953 and divorced in 1954.

Ray went to trial following the second arrest in 1959, also in Detroit, for soliciting an undercover officer in a bar called the Brass Rail, which has been described variously as attracting traveling musicians and attracting gay people.

Dorothy Kilgallen, a close friend of Johnnie, who was nationally known for her syndicated newspaper column, The Voice of Broadway, and her role as panelist on the television game show "What's My Line", was a strong support for Ray during the solicitation trial in Detroit in December 1959, possibly communicating by telephone with the district attorney or judge.

Ray's fate was decided by a jury composed entirely of older women, one of whom ran to Ray to console him when he fainted upon hearing the 'not guilty' verdict. In the 60s, Ray had a long-term relationship with his manager, Bill Franklin.

Eventually the success waned, helped along by the ugly rumors and the bad publicity. One of his most loyal audiences was found in England, where he appeared many times. When Elvis arrived and eclipsed everything before him, Johnnie Ray returned to the bars and lounges, making a comfortable living.

In 1960, Ray was hospitalized after contracting tuberculosis. He was also battling with alcoholism, but in the mid 60s he made a real attempt to sober up. In 1965, he was 38 years old when he was emotionally devastated by the death of close friend Dorothy Kilgallen, but managed to stay sober despite his grief.

He began to regain his health. Shortly after he returned to the United States from a European concert tour that he headlined with Judy Garland, an American doctor informed him that he was well enough to drink an occasional glass of wine. Ray resumed drinking heavily and his health quickly began to decline. He continued touring until he gave his final concert, a benefit for the Grand Theater in Salem, Oregon, on October 6, 1989. In early 1990, poor health forced him to check into Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. On February 24, 1990, he died of liver failure at Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles. He is buried at Hopewell Cemetery near Hopewell, ...

Two very short Johnnie Ray (diplomatic, classy) interview clips...near the end of the second one seems (to me) a man close to coming out of his closet, on camera,


What's My Line? - Johnnie Ray; Ozzie Nelson [panel]; Janet Blair [panel] (Jun 9, 1957)
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Re: Jack Ruby’s death bed confession
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Re: Jack Ruby’s death bed confession
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2020, 07:49:37 PM »
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As CTers, that is what is most disturbing.  You don't have to look any further than many happenstances which just seem to get rid of people at convenience.  Whether it is accused leaker Seth Rich dying while jogging (no perpetrators found) or a "suicidal" Jeffrey Epstein hanging himself while cameras record nothing and guards sleep.   Hilary Clinton can pound apart her devices so no one can look at them and the Steele Dossier doesn't even enter into the investigation of the Mueller Report!   Life seems to be filled with happenstance which never gets investigated and you are lead to believe are non-issues.

If you follow much of the newspaper articles done by Kilgallen and reported by Mark Shaw in his video "a reporter that knew too much", it follows that things have been hidden and remain hidden because truth hurts.   .....
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Mark Shaw claimed the autopsy of Ms. Kilgallen was suspicious because it was not performed in the borough, Manhattan, where Kilgallen was found dead.
Mark Shaw seems a sensationalist fueled by shortcomings or omissions in his own research.






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Re: Jack Ruby’s death bed confession
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2020, 12:10:58 AM »
The fact that a Mossad agent confessed about Ben Gurion ordering the hit proves Israel was involved. One of the oddest things Ruby said was that he wanted to show the world about Jews. Because for some reason he was worried Jews would be blamed.

Ruby was full of spombleprofglidnoctobuns. Just like Israel was about the Dimona plant. And Ruby wouldn't have told the truth if he was threatned, or his family was threatened if he were to talk. That's how Israel works. Blackmail and threats. 

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