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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #136 on: February 18, 2018, 05:18:15 PM »
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Oswald set-up the Sniper's Nest/Nook. That was his Only designated function that day. He worked there, handled/moved boxes there, and could perform this task without drawing attention to his actions. He was instructed to wait inside the TSBD Breakroom for any further instructions that might be needed. Otherwise, he was supposed to stay at the TSBD and finish his work shift or depart if the workers were dismissed early due to the shooting. It is absurd to believe that Oswald descended the stairs, and after entering the vestibule, decided to turn Left and enter the Breakroom. After entering the vestibule, turning Right would have taken Oswald to a hallway which then would have led him Directly to a stairway going Down and Out of the TSBD.  Filling book orders inside the TSBD meant Oswald knew the lay-out of the TSBD like the back of his hand. There is No Way a shooter makes the choice to confine himself in a Breakroom or any 4 sided room for that matter. He stays on the Move seeking Escape. (The carcano was stolen from the Paine garage and planted at the TSBD)

Oswald set-up the Sniper's Nest/Nook.     I emphatically disagree!

He was instructed (understood that he would need) to wait inside the TSBD Breakroom for any further instructions that might be needed. out of sight


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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #137 on: February 19, 2018, 12:45:31 AM »
I agree with you, Steve, but if the screws were put to Frazier and Molina with this common police interrogation technique that tells me the DPD didn't know the quote unquote - truth - beforehand
as some Ct's around here like to claim.  They do seem to be investigating as they should, not assisting 
to arrive to a pre set conclusion.     Btw ... can you imagine if one did cave in under the pressure ...
Okay, okay.  I helped Ozzie do it. I can't take this anymore.   What would the police say?  Oops ...

(Now we've got to find a way to incorporate these guys when we're already having enough trouble
trying to make it look like Oswald did it alone.)

How do you assume it would have worked if DPD was "in on it"?
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...They do seem to be investigating as they should, not assisting 
to arrive to a pre set conclusion. ....

I cannot comprehend your thinking on this. Who was "they".....the Chief, Capt. Will Fritz, Capt. Ralph Westbrook, Lt. Jack Revell, Det. Potts,
or Rose.....? You think it is reasonable you could discern different behavior or other conduct by them in their approach to investigation of the
JFK and Tippit shootings on the evening of November 22, if "they" were "in on it"?

Your point is illustrative of why I commit myself to, compared to what you seem to do, narrow presentation of well supported facts.
With self imposed restraint, many here might come to see that it is reasonable and more informative to speculate less, present your facts
and let them compete with the all too prevalent vague nonsense and unreasonable suspicions.

You probably even assume you keep your posts reasonable.

Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #138 on: February 19, 2018, 12:48:53 AM »
There is one conspiracy theory I have that probably LN might accept and that is that someone figured out Oswald was a Bipolar personality, and possibly OCD, after the Walker shooting, so they figured if they could put Oswald in proximity to a target that he would feel compelled to shoot at, because of his mental illness, then he probably  would do so.

So they  set up a job for him, in the TSBD, or they found out he had a job in TSBD and because of their connection to LBJ, were able to suggest the route for the JFK motorcade should pass by TSBD.  Then all this conspirator has to do is  sit back, make sure his building has no security and allow his Oswald employee have access to all floors. Then its just a matter of probability, and the conspirator(s) may have actually calculated  the probability was "high" that the Oswald nut would  take a shot at the POTUS motorcade.

That conspirator could have been the owner of TSBD, David Harold Byrd, who certainly was in the camp of rightwing element that disliked JFK and probably considered JFK was a traitor. After the tragic event, Byrd, removed the window frame he thought was the sniper window and hung it in his gallery of dead animal heads.

Hey, Zeon.  The LN's already believe Oswald acted alone and his motives may have varied, i.e his marriage was breaking up, he took all his frustrations out on Kennedy, he wanted to be remembered, he wanted to strike a blow against capitalism ... whatever.  Your theory seems to state that the conspirators would have be relying on his compulsion and, more importantly, good luck for it to take place.  Just get him there ... leave the areas open to him and let him take care of the rest.  Too much would be riding on chance for that to happen.  If they wanted JFK dead they would be increasing the odds ... one way or the other.

Anyway, one way or the other, Byrd seemed to be happy about the whole thing.     
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 02:28:37 AM by Dan DAlimonte »

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Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #139 on: February 19, 2018, 12:54:53 AM »
How do you assume it would have worked if DPD was "in on it"?
I cannot comprehend your thinking on this. Who was "they".....the Chief, Capt. Will Fritz, Capt. Ralph Westbrook, Lt. Jack Revell, Det. Potts,
or Rose.....? You think it is reasonable you could discern different behavior or other conduct by them in their approach to investigation of the
JFK and Tippit shootings on the evening of November 22, if "they" were "in on it"?

Your point is illustrative of why I commit myself to, compared to what you seem to do, narrow presentation of well supported facts.
With self imposed restraint, many here might come to see that it is reasonable and more informative to speculate less, present your facts
and let them compete with the all too prevalent vague nonsense and unreasonable suspicions.

You probably even assume you keep your posts reasonable.

I don't know what you mean Tom.  I'm saying the DPD were NOT in on it because if they had
been in on it they wouldn't have wasted so much time and energy interrogating, Frazier and Molina.
Steve brought up it was a common interrogating method at the time to press for an admission of guilt.

If you want ... just go back and read the sequence of responses re Walt's opinion on
Fritz being involved in setting Oswald up and see how, Bill, myself and Steve responded. 
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 02:11:06 AM by Dan DAlimonte »

Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #140 on: February 19, 2018, 02:55:44 AM »
Where did I mention race riots???
I wrote that the KKK were rampant in Dallas which would have allowed to preperation and cover up to move more smooth. I also believe that members of law enforcement were threatened as were some witnesses.

Maybe there was another Mick O'Brian in the old Forum. He would make sweeping nasty accusations against the South in general and the Protestants there working in concert to suppress minorities in the 60s. So I told that Mick fellow that there was more racism going on in the North (and where pockets of Irish were, to boot).

And so the research that lead to the map.

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #141 on: February 19, 2018, 03:03:39 AM »
Maybe there was another Mick O'Brian in the old Forum. He would make sweeping nasty accusations against the South in general and the Protestants there working in concert to suppress minorities in the 60s. So I told that Mick fellow that there was more racism going on in the North (and where pockets of Irish were, to boot).

And so the research that lead to the map.

You are serious about that, aren't you?

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #142 on: February 19, 2018, 04:23:39 AM »
Maybe there was another Mick O'Brian in the old Forum. He would make sweeping nasty accusations against the South in general and the Protestants there working in concert to suppress minorities in the 60s. So I told that Mick fellow that there was more racism going on in the North (and where pockets of Irish were, to boot).

And so the research that lead to the map.

Jerry, is that the same Mick that was all about the Irish, JFK being Irish and all. There was a Mick O' brien which looked like a fake name to me, given the lowercase 'b'

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #143 on: February 19, 2018, 03:13:29 PM »
You are serious about that, aren't you?

Tom, I've long suspected that the plot to murder of JFK sprang from the mind of Richard Bissell  .......But I know very little about him.

Is there a biography or a personality profile available?

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #143 on: February 19, 2018, 03:13:29 PM »