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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2020, 04:13:29 PM »
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The conspiracy historian John Newman (and some posters here: see the threads on this issue) have said that Oswadl's visit to Mexico City was faked or staged by the real murderers of JFK. It was undertaken to connect Oswald to either Cuba or the Soviets and when the subsequent WC investigation was done and it discovered these contacts everything was stopped out of a fear that it could lead to a war with Moscow.

Other conspiracy believers such as Peter Dale Scott and Bill Simpich said this was faked by elements of the CIA in order to blame Castro and justify an overthrow of the regime.

Newman's thesis is laid out here: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/newman/newman_1.html

The noted Mary Ferrell JFK assassination site has numerous articles making these same general claims. That is, the visit was faked. That is here: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Oswald_in_Mexico_City.html

Back to the question: The evidence is he went to MC. What is the counter evidence that he was seen or went elsewhere? We consider the evidence he went, we look at alternative explanations and make a judgment.

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2020, 04:21:11 PM »
The conspiracy historian John Newman (and some posters here: see the threads on this issue) have said that Oswadl's visit to Mexico City was faked or staged by the real murderers of JFK. It was undertaken to connect Oswald to either Cuba or the Soviets and when the subsequent WC investigation was done and it discovered these contacts everything was stopped out of a fear that it could lead to a war with Moscow.

Other conspiracy believers such as Peter Dale Scott and Bill Simpich said this was faked by elements of the CIA in order to blame Castro and justify an overthrow of the regime.

Newman's thesis is laid out here: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/newman/newman_1.html

The noted Mary Ferrell JFK assassination site has numerous articles making these same general claims. That is, the visit was faked. That is here: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Oswald_in_Mexico_City.html

Back to the question: The evidence is he went to MC. What is the counter evidence that he was seen or went elsewhere? We consider the evidence he went, we look at alternative explanations and make a judgment.

Another question for you, Steve? How would this anti-Castro propagandist, Barnes, know how to "recognize" what is attributed to him, here? Barnes's Florida address just happened to be in proximity of where
JMWAVE was first set up by Justin whats-his-name, in Coral Gables. Barnes is accounted for in the Mexican customs records @maryferrell.org, at the time in question!!

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......While JMWAVE was by far the biggest, it was neither the first nor the only CIA presence in Miami . That distinction belonged to Justin F. "Jay" Gleichauf, who arrived shortly after Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista fled into exile on New Year's Day of 1959. Gleichauf told his story more than 40 years later in an unclassified CIA publication. "I had no inkling [when Batista fell] that within two weeks I would be in Miami as head - and sole staffer - of a newly authorized office of the Domestic Contacts Division in the Directorate of Intelligence," he wrote.

Gleichauf opened an overt CIA office at 299 Alhambra Circle in Coral Gables. Its basic function was to be a Cuba "listening post." To aid his effort, Gleichauf listed a CIA number - but no address - in the phone book and passed out business cards with his home number, resulting in calls from "a motley collection of weirdos" as well as some irate Castro supporters.......







And Steve, I began this post quoting Henry Breck, former CIA agent. In your belief system, neither GHW Bush, nor Tony Lapham, Bush's chosen CIA consul had any prior CIA affiliation, despite Bush, a one year DCI being honored with his name on the CIA building.

Lapham and Henry Breck attended no schools in common and I find nothing leading to their extremely close relationship.....maybe I'm just not thorough enough? LOL !

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2020, 04:23:26 PM »
The evidence that we have either proves that he went to Mexico or it doesn't.  This idea that your narrative is automatically correct unless a better "alternative explanation" can be proven is fundamentally flawed.  If the evidence is inconclusive then it's inconclusive.

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2020, 04:42:48 PM »
The evidence that we have either proves that he went to Mexico or it doesn't.  This idea that your narrative is automatically correct unless a better "alternative explanation" can be proven is fundamentally flawed.  If the evidence is inconclusive then it's inconclusive.

John, no wonder why you are so unpopular! What more proof do you need, than this? LOL

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BARNES, Winfred C. (Amer.); wife, Lois Helena Enquist (Amer.); ch.: Helga, Gretchen, Clark.  Marketing Mgr., Esso Standard Oil, S.A. Edif. Alujor, N. y 23 Vedado. Tel. 30-3121. Apdo. 4087. Res. Ave. 13 y 202, Biltmore, Mar. Tel. 21-9888.  Clubs: Petro., Hav. Bilt.; wife: W.

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......While JMWAVE was by far the biggest, it was neither the first nor the only CIA presence in Miami . That distinction belonged to Justin F. "Jay" Gleichauf, who arrived shortly after Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista fled into exile on New Year's Day of 1959. Gleichauf told his story more than 40 years later in an unclassified CIA publication. "I had no inkling [when Batista fell] that within two weeks I would be in Miami as head - and sole staffer - of a newly authorized office of the Domestic Contacts Division in the Directorate of Intelligence," he wrote.

Gleichauf opened an overt CIA office at 299 Alhambra Circle in Coral Gables. Its basic function was to be a Cuba "listening post." To aid his effort, Gleichauf listed a CIA number - but no address - in the phone book and passed out business cards with his home number, resulting in calls from "a motley collection of weirdos" as well as some irate Castro supporters.......


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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2020, 06:15:20 PM »
Not only can we ask the question: If he didn't go to Mexico City then where was he over that week or so? We can also ask how did those who allegedly impersonated him know where he was in order to pull this plan off?

What would happen if he had stayed in New Orleans and had been seen by people who could give him an alibi? In order to frame him for going to Mexico City he can't have an alibi, he can't be seen by others at that same time. So these supposed agents who framed him would have to be confident (wouldn't they?) that for those eight days Oswald would never been seen by people who could expose this act.

This is the same type of question for those who say he was framed for shooting JFK. How did the framers know where he was at 12:30?

Do the conspiracy believers really think this is all possible? Are there any limits on the ability to frame him? Any at all?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2020, 06:45:59 PM »
Not only can we ask the question: If he didn't go to Mexico City then where was he over that week or so? We can also ask how did those who allegedly impersonated him know where he was in order to pull this plan off?

What would happen if he had stayed in New Orleans and had been seen by people who could give him an alibi? In order to frame him for going to Mexico City he can't have an alibi, he can't be seen by others at that same time. So these supposed agents who framed him would have to be confident (wouldn't they?) that for those eight days Oswald would never been seen by people who could expose this act.

This is the same type of question for those who say he was framed for shooting JFK. How did the framers know where he was at 12:30?

Do the conspiracy believers really think this is all possible? Are there any limits on the ability to frame him? Any at all?

You ask ask whatever questions you want.  Just don't pretend that your questions somehow improve your case that Oswald committed the crime, and did so by himself.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2020, 07:30:51 PM »
Well i'm curious to know where he was if he was not in Mexico City.
Too bad the Warren investigators/FBI weren't. But they all liked the story line......Oswald was going to Cuba to teach them rifle training.
Only one thing...Oswald couldn't speak Spanish :D

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2020, 08:12:14 PM »
Guy who shares address with JMWave alerts FBI of some Oswald related nonsense after having to abandon his oil corp's $80 million oil refinery to Castro.

Looks like Oswald was painted as convenient justification for a bigger, better BOP invasion.

It's always about the Benjamins instead of about the evidence.

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Re: Where did Oswald spend the missing 8 days?
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