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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2020, 01:38:11 AM »
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He was too inexperienced. He's often described as a breath of fresh of air being so young, but that also means he was inexperienced.

Yes yer right....The iron hand in the Family...Old Joe Kennedy who was as crooked as a dog's hind leg knew the ropes in dealing with pirates and mobsters thought that he could be the power behind the Pres....   Old Joe had a lust to put one of his sons in the White House.... And he stroked the mob where necessary ( like Giancana in Chicago) to get votes.  But Joe was stricken  with a debilitating disease and couldn't keep his hands on the reins....  and JFK wasn't aware of the debts that he was expected to pay to the mob.    So Booby went after Jimmy Hoffa..... and created real problems for JFK.

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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2020, 12:48:15 PM »
He was too inexperienced. He's often described as a breath of fresh of air being so young, but that also means he was inexperienced.

JFK correctly viewed Castro as a threat to the USA. And was trying to do something about it. I do believe that he and most of the people that he had working on the issue underestimated Castro and his capabilities.

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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2020, 04:02:06 PM »
JFK correctly viewed Castro as a threat to the USA. And was trying to do something about it. I do believe that he and most of the people that he had working on the issue underestimated Castro and his capabilities.

Really,??  Cuba was a threat to the US??  I don thank sooo....  Castro was a problem for the Mafia because he seized there gambling casinos and whore houses, which were very lucrative enterprises . And when he booted the Mafia out of Cuba they lost a base for smuggling drugs into the US....

Castro also hit HL Hunt pretty hard by seizing the refineries ( Sugar and OIL ) and Hunt was not a happy camper.   

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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2020, 04:47:50 PM »
Really,??  Cuba was a threat to the US??  I don thank sooo....  Castro was a problem for the Mafia because he seized there gambling casinos and whore houses, which were very lucrative enterprises . And when he booted the Mafia out of Cuba they lost a base for smuggling drugs into the US....

Castro also hit HL Hunt pretty hard by seizing the refineries ( Sugar and OIL ) and Hunt was not a happy camper.

We ended up having to fight his revolution in other countries. Here are a couple more passages from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

“Juan Benemelis, the Cuban diplomat who had studied in Castro's EIR for diplomats in Vedado, became the director of the Cubans' "Africa Corp." When I talked with him in Washington, D.C., years later, he told me, "Castro hoped to implement an ambitious, two-pronged plan simultaneously, unleashing a general offensive on the African continent, led by Che Guevara, together with one in Latin America which he himself would guide directly from Havana."


“Che told Nasser that all he was searching for was "a place to fight for the world revolution and to accept the challenge of death.'*

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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2020, 05:08:39 PM »
We ended up having to fight his revolution in other countries. Here are a couple more passages from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

“Juan Benemelis, the Cuban diplomat who had studied in Castro's EIR for diplomats in Vedado, became the director of the Cubans' "Africa Corp." When I talked with him in Washington, D.C., years later, he told me, "Castro hoped to implement an ambitious, two-pronged plan simultaneously, unleashing a general offensive on the African continent, led by Che Guevara, together with one in Latin America which he himself would guide directly from Havana."


“Che told Nasser that all he was searching for was "a place to fight for the world revolution and to accept the challenge of death.'*

Big mouth.... small rectum....  Castro was FOS.     

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« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2020, 07:03:53 PM »
Correct, they were not officially American ships. That was by design for plausible denial purposes. However, they were purchased by the CIA for the BOP operation.

 “To create a navy, the CIA purchased five cargo ships from the Cuban-owned, but Miami-based Garcia Line, thereby giving "plausible deniability" as the State Department had insisted no US ships could be involved in the invasion.[97] The first four of the five ships, namely the Atlantico, the Caribe, the Houston and Río Escondido were to carry enough supplies and weapons to last thirty days while the Lake Charles had 15 days of supplies and was intended to land the provisional government of Cuba.[97] The ships were loaded with supplies at New Orleans and sailed to Puerto Cabezas, Nicaragua.[97] Additionally, the invasion force had two old Landing Craft Infantry (LCI) ships, the Blagar and Barbara J from World War II that were part of the CIA's "ghost ship" fleet and served as command ships for the invasion.[97] The crews of the supply ships were Cuban while the crews of the LCIs were Americans, borrowed by the CIA from the Military Sea Transportation Service (MSTS).[97] One CIA officer wrote that MSTS sailors were all professional and experienced, but not trained for combat.”[97]

The link to the Wiki account is a brief nutshell account of the event and it isn't true.   


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

There is one portion of the BOP story that is always omitted.....   The false flag attack on the US Naval base at Gitmo.   

Are you aware of the attack that didn't happen because the Cuban exiles who were supposed to attack Gitmo while dressed as Castro's soldiers mutinied and refused to leave the ship that had carried them to the shore line on the back side of Gitmo.   This was a pivotal event that was intended to get US Marine sentries killed and enrage JFK into ordering the US military to attack Cuba.   The CIA was plotting to sacrifice US Marine sentries by tricking the Cuban exiles into believing they were attacking a Casto Army camp, when in reality they were attacking the back side of the US Navy Base.   

If you know the story of how Hitler justified the attack on Poland in September of 1939, then you've got an idea of what the CIA were plotting.... They were ready to get some Marines killed to trick JFK into thinking that Castro's forces had attacked and killed the Marines.
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« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2020, 09:04:54 PM »
Big mouth.... small rectum....  Castro was FOS.   

More from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:

“By the thirtieth anniversary of the Revolution, Castro had more troops around the world than all the other Communist leaders put together. His military was the largest in Latin America, larger even than Brazil's. Because of the enormous levels of Soviet arms deliveries and aid, the Cuban army numbered 145,000 men, but these already substantial numbers were backed by 110,000 ready reserves and more than a million men and women in the Territorial Troops Militias. Cuba, with slightly more than ten million persons, was probably the world's most completely militarized country — 57,000 troops in Angola, 5,000 to 7,000 in Ethiopia, and hundreds and thousands from South Yemen, to Libya, to Nicaragua, to Mozambique, to Syria, Equatorial Guinea, Tanzania, Guinea Bissau, North Korea, São Tomé Algeria, Uganda, Laos, Afghanistan, and Sierra Leone.“

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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2020, 12:57:43 PM »
Really,??  Cuba was a threat to the US??  I don thank sooo....  Castro was a problem for the Mafia because he seized there gambling casinos and whore houses, which were very lucrative enterprises . And when he booted the Mafia out of Cuba they lost a base for smuggling drugs into the US....

Castro also hit HL Hunt pretty hard by seizing the refineries ( Sugar and OIL ) and Hunt was not a happy camper.

More from “Guerrilla Prince” by Georgie Anne Geyer:


“On January 3, 1966, just shortly after Che returned to Cuba from his misadventures in the Congo, Castro opened the First Conference of Solidarity of the People of Africa, Asia and Latin America, or more simply the “Tricontinental." Che, of course, was not there, and his name was not even mentioned. No fewer than five hundred twelve delegates, sixty-four observers, and seventy-seven invited guests, representing eighty-two countries and territories, gathered in the once-luxurious Havana Hilton. Russian-backed and Russian-sponsored, Castro's Tricontinental was to be, in the words of the scholar of terrorism Claire Sterling, "the beginning of a massive thrust against Western capitalism generally and the United States in particular, through the formation of a Guerrilla International." Everybody was there: the Vietcong, Guatemala's Rebel Armed Forces, Stokley Carmichael, even the new and relatively unknown Palestine Liberation Organization. It was a veritable carnival of the world's atomized, deracinated, angry outcasts searching for ways to take power through violence. The Tricontinental also witnessed the revolutionary birthing of the Venezuelan who would become the world's most feared and formidable terrorist, the man called "Carlos," originally named Ilyich Ramirez. It was at Castro's own Camp Matanzas just outside Havana that he had studied terrorism under the KGB's Colonel Viktor Simenov. From Cuba, from Camp Matanzas, from Castro, "Carlos" went on to work with the Palestinian terrorist Wadi Haddad, to introduce diplomatic hostage-taking to Europe, and to lead such heinous terrorist attacks of the next fifteen years as the Munich Massacre.”

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