The real 6th floor shooter - what chance of escape?

[Ross Lidell]

This opening thread is moronic.

Victoria Adams & Sandra Styles didn't see or hear Oswald on the stairs. Now what?

This opening thread is moronic.

Are you sure you didn't mean "ironic"?

No that's not possible: You're not intelligent enough.

[Martin Weidmann]

So the real 6th floor assassin (you don't accept that it's Oswald) used a different rifle than Oswald's Carcano? What rifle was that?

Of the three bullets fired at the car, one missed and was lost, the second exploded in Kennedy's head and the third one was allegedly CE399, despite the fact that the bullet fragments recovered at Parkland combined with those still left in Connally's body were more than the damage to CE399.

The tiny flecks of metal left in Governor Connally's wrist were never measured. It's not possible to calculate the total weight of the bullet before it was fired; so you have a theory not proof.

So the real 6th floor assassin (you don't accept that it's Oswald) used a different rifle than Oswald's Carcano? What rifle was that?

Stop the strawman crap. I never said any of this. We are in hypothetical mode since the opening post had way too many assumptions for any other kind of discussion.

The tiny flecks of metal left in Governor Connally's wrist were never measured. It's not possible to calculate the total weight of the bullet before it was fired; so you have a theory not proof.

The fragments recovered from Connally's arm at Parkland hospital by themselves were enough to reach the conclusion. The main point was that none of the three bullets that were allegedly fired from the 6th floor were ever matched to the MC rifle.

[Ross Lidell]

You have not explained away the need for the TSBD to be "secured" by the conspirators before and during the assassination.

That need only exists in your imagination. We are talking about one man slipping into a near empty building because nearly everybody was outside watching the President. If the assassin ran into anybody he could easily abort.

You have not explained away the need for Oswald to be restrained (by the conspirators) before and during the assassination.

"I'll meet you at the luchroom on the second floor at 12.30"... That would be all it would take...

Oswald cannot be permitted to be free to come and go lest he walk outside to look at the motorcade or someone comes inside just before the shots were fired and sees him. Lee Oswald (the patsy) cannot be permitted to have an iron-clad alibi.

When the conspirators also control the cover up, there would be no problem. Witnesses that say they saw him could be persuaded that they were mistaken or they could simply be ignored, as was done with Carolyn Arnold, Dorothy Garner and others.

You have not explained away the need for the TSBD to be "secured" by the conspirators before and during the assassination.

That need only exists in your imagination. We are talking about one man slipping into a near empty building because nearly everybody was outside watching the President. If the assassin ran into anybody he could easily abort.

How would the real 6th floor shooter know that the building would be "near empty"?

A paid assassin could not abort.

You have not explained away the need for Oswald to be restrained (by the conspirators) before and during the assassination.

"I'll meet you at the luchroom on the second floor at 12.30"... That would be all it would take...

Did Lee Harvey Oswald wear a watch? Kind of a vague way to run a precision assassination plot.

Oswald cannot be permitted to be free to come and go lest he walk outside to look at the motorcade or someone comes inside just before the shots were fired and sees him. Lee Oswald (the patsy) cannot be permitted to have an iron-clad alibi.

When the conspirators also control the cover up, there would be no problem. Witnesses that say they saw him could be persuaded that they were mistaken or they could simply be ignored, as was done with Carolyn Arnold, Dorothy Garner and others.

A lot of assumptions there. Which conspirators? What coverup?

Oh my God... Weidmann's on to something!!!

[Martin Weidmann]

No bullet fragments were ever matched to the MC rifle.

Do you have proof of that?

Asking for a negative to be proven is a sign of weakness.

If you feel the bullet fragments were matched to the MC rifle than you need to prove that. If you don't feel that your comment;

The Daltex shooter's bullets would not be matched to Oswald's Carcano rifle. This would have revealed a conspiracy and Oswald could not be blamed as the sole assassin.

was nothing more than hot air.

[Martin Weidmann]

This opening thread is moronic.

Are you sure you didn't mean "ironic"?

No that's not possible: You're not intelligent enough.

You're not intelligent enough.

Look who is talking   

[Martin Weidmann]

You have not explained away the need for the TSBD to be "secured" by the conspirators before and during the assassination.

That need only exists in your imagination. We are talking about one man slipping into a near empty building because nearly everybody was outside watching the President. If the assassin ran into anybody he could easily abort.

How would the real 6th floor shooter know that the building would be "near empty"?

A paid assassin could not abort.

Know many paid assassins, do you?

You have not explained away the need for Oswald to be restrained (by the conspirators) before and during the assassination[/u].

"I'll meet you at the luchroom on the second floor at 12.30"... That would be all it would take...

Did Lee Harvey Oswald wear a watch? Kind of a vague way to run a precision assassination plot.

There were no clocks at the TSBD?

Oswald cannot be permitted to be free to come and go lest he walk outside to look at the motorcade or someone comes inside just before the shots were fired and sees him. Lee Oswald (the patsy) cannot be permitted to have an iron-clad alibi.

When the conspirators also control the cover up, there would be no problem. Witnesses that say they saw him could be persuaded that they were mistaken or they could simply be ignored, as was done with Carolyn Arnold, Dorothy Garner and others.

A lot of assumptions there. Which conspirators? What coverup?

Oh my God... Weidmann's on to something!!!

This entire thread is about assumptions.... Mainly yours!

And I am indeed on to something; your inability to have a normal conversation without misrepresentations, making up stuff, strawman tactics and an unwillingness to consider counter arguments.

[Ross Lidell]

So the real 6th floor assassin (you don't accept that it's Oswald) used a different rifle than Oswald's Carcano? What rifle was that?

Stop the strawman crap. I never said any of this. We are in hypothetical mode since the opening post had way too many assumptions for any other kind of discussion.

The tiny flecks of metal left in Governor Connally's wrist were never measured. It's not possible to calculate the total weight of the bullet before it was fired; so you have a theory not proof.

The fragments recovered from Connally's arm at Parkland hospital by themselves were enough to reach the conclusion. The main point was that none of the three bullets that were allegedly fired from the 6th floor were ever matched to the MC rifle.

So the real 6th floor assassin (you don't accept that it's Oswald) used a different rifle than Oswald's Carcano? What rifle was that?

Stop the strawman crap. I never said any of this. We are in hypothetical mode since the opening post had way too many assumptions for any other kind of discussion.

Not a strawman: Holding you to a responsibility to provide a realistic alternative scenario to the the historical record which you do not believe. You don't appear to believe Oswald's Carcano was the assassination weapon. You can either admit that it was or posit some other gun. Something like: "There was another gun but I don't know what it was" will do.

The fragments recovered from Connally's arm at Parkland hospital by themselves were enough to reach the conclusion.

Not true. No measurement, no absolute conclusion. You're just guessing.

The main point was that none of the three bullets that were allegedly fired from the 6th floor were ever matched to the MC rifle.

One almost whole bullet and two pieces of one bullet were matched to Oswald's Carcano rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. By whom? Frazier of the FBI and Nicol of the Illinois Bureau of Criminal Investigation.

[Ross Lidell]

You're not intelligent enough.

Look who is talking   

Limp riposte Marty.