No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD

[Ross Lidell]

Wow, an ad hominem reply containing one of the most stupid comments you've ever made.... what a treat!

There's something unmanly about a fellow who will not accept facts: instead making embarrassing statements to maintain the debate. Childish!!!


Wow, an ad hominem reply containing one of the most stupid comments you've ever made.... what a treat!

I failed to hit the "s" key when typing the word fellow(s). Don't think you're special. That generalization would apply to many on this forum.

[Ray Mitcham]

I failed to hit the "s" key when typing the word fellow(s). Don't think you're special. That generalization would apply to many on this forum.

If you failed hit the "s" after fellows how come you said "a fellow"

[Ross Lidell]

If you failed hit the "s" after fellows how come you said "a fellow"

A wondered who would spot that. Well done Ray.

[Martin Weidmann]

There's something unmanly about a fellow who will not accept facts: instead making embarrassing statements to maintain the debate. Childish!!!


Wow, an ad hominem reply containing one of the most stupid comments you've ever made.... what a treat!

I failed to hit the "s" key when typing the word fellow(s). Don't think you're special. That generalization would apply to many on this forum.

I am getting sick and tired of clowns like you who think they are better and know more than other people. To have so much arrogant confidence in your own ignorance to make yourself feel superior is beyond reason or comprehension. As the screw up in the White House so aptly demonstrates on a daily basis, it's a massive sign of weakness and insecurity to outright dismiss everything that doesn't agree with your opinion as being "incorrect".

A truly wise man knows the value of being modest and trying to understand the arguments of others. Only a true fool shouts from the rooftop just how wonderful and "intelligent" he is. Overestimating one's self is a clear indication of ignorance and delusion on a massive scale.

[John Iacoletti]

If Oswald does not get a job at the TSBD, President Kennedy DOES leave Dallas alive. Oswald does not shoot him dead from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Alternately, the real 6th floor shooter does not shoot the President dead. No point in the latter because there would be no "lone nut" to blame so the conspiracy would not be discovered.

Wow, you're really obtuse.  Martin, Colin, and I have all tried to explain this to you.  You're just repeating the same flawed claim.

Your argument is hypothetical:  "If Oswald does not get a job at the TSBD, President Kennedy DOES leave Dallas alive".  You only believe this because you believe that Oswald was a lone nut who killed Kennedy.  But if there had been a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, they could have shot him anywhere.  There's no requirement that he be shot from the TSBD.  Let's go with with your hypothetical that Oswald was a lone nut who planned to kill Kennedy.  If he had gotten a job somewhere else do you think it was impossible for him to have shot Kennedy at some other place and time?  Well, the same goes for a hypothetical conspiracy.  Kennedy getting shot in Dealey Plaza is just what happened.  If the circumstances were different then something else would have happened.  Kennedy might have left Dallas alive, but he also might have been shot at Love Field, or the Trade Mart, or somewhere else along the motorcade route.  Nobody has to provide evidence that there were other plots, because in this reality JFK was shot in Dealey Plaza.  Other plots wouldn't have been necessary.

Oh by the way John: When was the last time you started a SUBJECT on this forum?

What difference does that make?  Is that a virtue?  You're just starting new topics that rehash the same old tired LN strawman arguments about what you think conspirators would have done.

[Ross Lidell]

Wow, you're really obtuse.  Martin, Colin, and I have all tried to explain this to you.  You're just repeating the same flawed claim.

Your argument is hypothetical:  "If Oswald does not get a job at the TSBD, President Kennedy DOES leave Dallas alive".  You only believe this because you believe that Oswald was a lone nut who killed Kennedy.  But if there had been a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, they could have shot him anywhere.  There's no requirement that he be shot from the TSBD.  Let's go with with your hypothetical that Oswald was a lone nut who planned to kill Kennedy.  If he had gotten a job somewhere else do you think it was impossible for him to have shot Kennedy at some other place and time?  Well, the same goes for a hypothetical conspiracy.  Kennedy getting shot in Dealey Plaza is just what happened.  If the circumstances were different then something else would have happened.  Kennedy might have left Dallas alive, but he also might have been shot at Love Field, or the Trade Mart, or somewhere else along the motorcade route.  Nobody has to provide evidence that there were other plots, because in this reality JFK was shot in Dealey Plaza.  Other plots wouldn't have been necessary.

What difference does that make?  Is that a virtue?  You're just starting new topics that rehash the same old tired LN strawman arguments about what you think conspirators would have done.

If he had gotten a job somewhere else do you think it was impossible for him to have shot Kennedy at some other place and time?  Well, the same goes for a hypothetical conspiracy. 

The jobs would have to be on the motorcade route. How would that be arranged?

Kennedy getting shot in Dealey Plaza is just what happened.  If the circumstances were different then something else would have happened.

You seem to be suggesting that "that something else" would have been an assassination plot. This implies a vast conspiracy with multiple possible assassination opportunities in Dallas. It's more likely, as I have stated , President Kennedy would have left Dallas alive. 

Your contrarian, nitpicking "blindness to the facts" prevents you from seeing the "big picture". Look at Oswald's formative adult years: Self-indoctrination into left-wing politics in New York by a chance encounter on the street when he was playing truant. An old lady gave him a pamphlet about the Rosenbergs and he is very-soon attracted to Marxism. You know the rest, but wont believe Oswald's obsession with left-wing politics is authentic. Consider: The CIA does not recruit high school dropouts.

Lee Harvey Oswald's assassination of President Kennedy was a crime of opportunity. It was "chance" that got him the job at the TSBD. When he read about the Presidential motorcade coming past his place of employment--during his lunch hour--in several days time, he discerned the opportunity to enter the history books. After all, this is a man who wrote about his life describing it as an "historic diary".

All the known, verifiable facts confirm that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist, who by chance, decided to strike at the capitalist system at the very top.   

Priscilla McMillan: The only woman who knew John F. Kennedy and his killer Lee H. Oswald.

In your view, he would have wanted to assassinate any president, correct?

I think so. He probably wouldn’t have walked across Dallas if he hadn’t had a job directly over the presidential parade route. When Oswald was presented with the target, he thought he was fated to do it.

By the way, John: Can you outline an alternative plan/plot to assassinate President Kennedy in Dallas on 22 November 1963--with evidence? Didn't you state (words to the effect) that President Kennedy was still likely to be assassinated  if Lee Harvey Oswald could not do it; or be framed as an innocent patsy? Wouldn't that unjustified "leap of logic"--absent of any evidence--be a non sequitur?

[Martin Weidmann]

Your contrarian, nitpicking "blindness to the facts" prevents you from seeing the "big picture". Look at Oswald's formative adult years: Self-indoctrination into left-wing politics in New York by a chance encounter on the street when he was playing truant. An old lady gave him a pamphlet about the Rosenbergs and he is very-soon attracted to Marxism. You know the rest, but wont believe his obsession with left-wing politics is authentic. Consider: The CIA does not recruit high school dropouts.

Lee Harvey Oswald's assassination of President Kennedy was a crime of opportunity. It was "chance" that got him the job at the TSBD. When he read about the Presidential motorcade coming past his place of employment--during his lunch hour--in several days time, he discerned the opportunity to enter the history books. After all, this is a man who wrote about his life describing it as an "historic diary".

All the known and verifiable facts confirm that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist, who by chance, decided to strike at the capitalist system at the very top.   

Priscilla McMillan: The only woman who knew John F. Kennedy and his killer Lee H. Oswald.

In your view, he would have wanted to assassinate any president, correct?

I think so. He probably wouldn’t have walked across Dallas if he hadn’t had a job directly over the presidential parade route. When Oswald was presented with the target, he thought he was fated to do it.

By the way, John: Can you outline an alternative plot to assassinate President Kennedy in Dallas on 22 November 1963--with evidence. Didn't you state (words to the effect) that President Kennedy was still likely to be assassinated  if Lee Harvey Oswald could not do it; or be framed as an innocent patsy? Wouldn't that unjustified "leap of logic"--absent of any evidence--be a non sequitur?

Your contrarian, nitpicking "blindness to the facts" prevents you from seeing the "big picture".

Coming from you, that's a pathetic joke!

Consider: The CIA does not recruit high school dropouts.

Are you in the CIA or are you just guessing?

I know some people who were high school dropouts simply because they found the curriculum boring. They are all highly intelligent and succesful people (the true American selfmade man, if you will) running companies with lots of employees. Stop being so narrowminded as to believe that people with "high level eduction" are the intelligent ones.... Case in point, the idiot currently in the White House.... Went to the best schools and is a complete disaster.

Lee Harvey Oswald's assassination of President Kennedy was a crime of opportunity.

Only if the lone nut scenario is in play.

It was "chance" that got him the job at the TSBD. When he read about the Presidential motorcade coming past his place of employment--during his lunch hour--in several days time, he discerned the opportunity to enter the history books.

So, now you know what Oswald thoughts were? Are you sure you are not related to Richard Smith?

All the known and verifiable facts confirm that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist, who by chance, decided to strike at the capitalist system at the very top.   

No, they may confirm that Oswald was a Marxist (he confirmed that himself in the radio interview in New Orleans) but the rest is pure speculation on your part.

Priscilla McMillan: The only woman who knew John F. Kennedy and his killer Lee H. Oswald.

In your view, he would have wanted to assassinate any president, correct?

I think so. He probably wouldn’t have walked across Dallas if he hadn’t had a job directly over the presidential parade route. When Oswald was presented with the target, he thought he was fated to do it.

The opinion of McMillan is just that... a mere opinion. And she didn't know Oswald, she interviewed him once, that's it!

By the way, John: Can you outline an alternative plot to assassinate President Kennedy in Dallas on 22 November 1963--with evidence. Didn't you state (words to the effect) that President Kennedy was still likely to be assassinated  if Lee Harvey Oswald could not do it; or be framed as an innocent patsy? Wouldn't that unjustified "leap of logic"--absent of any evidence--be a non sequitur?

There he goes again.... asking for a theory (which is what an alternative plot would be) and instantly - and completely dishonestly - asks for evidence for something that in reality may have existed but was never executed! Instead of quoting John verbatim, he then goes on to misrepresent what John said into a strawman.

Ross, you are no longer talking about the case itself. Instead you are trying to somehow and rather desperately demonstrate that you know the actual meaning of the words "non sequitur". Maybe one day in the future you will find out that you have already lost the main argument!

[Jack Trojan]

If he had gotten a job somewhere else do you think it was impossible for him to have shot Kennedy at some other place and time?  Well, the same goes for a hypothetical conspiracy. 

The jobs would have to be on the motorcade route. How would that be arranged?

The motorcade was arranged 1st and Oswald's job 2nd. The same way Paine arranged it only with a different person. Randle was clearly just passing on the info to where to plant Oswald. Why did Paine call Truly instead of having Oswald do it? Because she was his handler, DUH.

Kennedy getting shot in Dealey Plaza is just what happened.  If the circumstances were different then something else would have happened.

You seem to be suggesting that "that something else" would have been an assassination plot. This implies a vast conspiracy with multiple possible assassination opportunities in Dallas. It's more likely, as I have stated , President Kennedy would have left Dallas alive.

Non-sequitor. The size of the conspiracy was exactly as "vast" as it needed to be, which involved someone high enough up the food chain to set up the motorcade to detour down Elm right past the TSBD. Only a WC Defender would think that was all by chance.

Your contrarian, nitpicking "blindness to the facts" prevents you from seeing the "big picture". Look at Oswald's formative adult years: Self-indoctrination into left-wing politics in New York by a chance encounter on the street when he was playing truant. An old lady gave him a pamphlet about the Rosenbergs and he is very-soon attracted to Marxism. You know the rest, but wont believe Oswald's obsession with left-wing politics is authentic. Consider: The CIA does not recruit high school dropouts.

Evidently they do recruit them as patsies. Not that you would know that. I'll bet if you could get access to the docs you would see Oswald's name in the False Defector program. In which case he would have been sheep-dipped into the commie culture, then sent abroad to falsely defect as a singleton agent. Oswald was an Angleton singleton agent and I'm not alone claiming that.

Lee Harvey Oswald's assassination of President Kennedy was a crime of opportunity. It was "chance" that got him the job at the TSBD. When he read about the Presidential motorcade coming past his place of employment--during his lunch hour--in several days time, he discerned the opportunity to enter the history books. After all, this is a man who wrote about his life describing it as an "historic diary".

We all know what you LNers think. Most of the world disagrees. Yours is the fringe hypothesis, which you defend with arrogance and ad homs.

All the known, verifiable facts confirm that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist, who by chance, decided to strike at the capitalist system at the very top.   

Priscilla McMillan: The only woman who knew John F. Kennedy and his killer Lee H. Oswald.

In your view, he would have wanted to assassinate any president, correct?

I think so. He probably wouldn’t have walked across Dallas if he hadn’t had a job directly over the presidential parade route. When Oswald was presented with the target, he thought he was fated to do it.

Oswald was "in on it" on some level, whether he knew he was the designated patsy or not. But he wasn't a lone nut. You are a WC Defender foremost since you bend over backwards to make Oswald out to be a lone nut and to hell with all the coincidences and evidence suggesting otherwise.

By the way, John: Can you outline an alternative plan/plot to assassinate President Kennedy in Dallas on 22 November 1963--with evidence? Didn't you state (words to the effect) that President Kennedy was still likely to be assassinated  if Lee Harvey Oswald could not do it; or be framed as an innocent patsy? Wouldn't that unjustified "leap of logic"--absent of any evidence--be a non sequitur?

My avatar shows a mugshot of Thomas Arthur Vallee. He was arrested minutes AFTER the Kennedy trip to Chicago was cancelled. Vallee had a truck full of amo and was heading towards work, his office overlooking the route of the motorcade. Two men of a four man Cuban hit squad had been arrested earlier. An informer had alerted the FBI, who passed the information to the Secret Service. Both Cubans were released, all information destroyed. Vallee was Plan A, Oswald Plan B. This scenario is every bit as likely as your lone nut hypothesis, which has substantial evidence refuting it. But you LNers won't acknowledge anything that conflicts with your LN view because you are "all in". One piece of evidence that hints of a conspiracy and Oswald is no longer a LN and you lose the game. That's why you LNers are so arrogant about it. Balls to the wall and in for a penny. Unlike the other LNers, you just don't know when to quit.