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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Six Seconds in Dallas-- Old book, a must read
« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2020, 01:45:29 AM »
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Mr. LIEBELER - You told us that in this particular rifle practice, or firing, that the scores were kept by NCOs.
Mr. DELGADO - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Was it a common practice for the privates to make deals like this with the noncommissioned officers in connection with a thing like this?
Mr. DELGADO - They are making a deal with the other guys pulling the targets. See, the guy back there is also keeping a score.
Now, your NCO, particularly your NCO, may want to push you or make you qualify, because he doesn't want to spend another day out there on the rifle range, see; so it's not all that strict. Like if I was line NCO and I had five men in my section, and four of them qualified, that means that some other day, maybe on my day off, I will have to come in with this other fellow, so I will help him along and push each other along.
You don't try to mess nobody up, but you can't take a man that is shooting poorly and give him a 190 score, see; you could just give him the bare minimum, 170 or 171, to make it look good.
Mr. LIEBELER - Just to qualify him?
Mr. DELGADO - Just to qualify him.

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Re: Six Seconds in Dallas-- Old book, a must read
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Six Seconds in Dallas-- Old book, a must read
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2020, 02:39:58 AM »
Mr. LIEBELER - You told us that in this particular rifle practice, or firing...
... NCO, may want to push you or make you qualify, because he doesn't want to spend another day out there on the rifle range ....
Usually, a trainee will shoot well with a bench rest position and a desire to shoot well.
Trainers will have their shooters qualify if they have to stay and shoot under the moonlight if necessary.

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Six Seconds in Dallas-- Old book, a must read
« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2020, 02:58:13 AM »
But Boswell himself thought the face sheet markings were approximate and the measurements were what was important.



It's possible the "face sheet" misleading marking with regards to the "back" wound was what Rankin was referring to when he said the back wound was below the shoulder blade.

No. The "face sheet" placement of the "back" wound is much lower when compared to the autopsy photo. The photo shows the distance from the wound to the mastoid tip and the tip of the scapula to be equal. This was recorded (presumably accurately) as an equal distance and presented in the autopsy report.

    "This wound is measured to be 14 cm. from the tip of the right acromion
      process and 14 cm. below the tip of the right mastoid process."

Right Jerry.

These are the same autopsy doctors who missed the throat wound.

They also, if you're to believe the Clark Panel, Rockefeller Commission, HSCA and I think the Church Committee, placed the wound in the back of JFK's skull to low. 4 inches too low.

Although some believe it was changed by the Clark Panel only after critics pointed out a wound at EOP on the back of JFK's skull doesn't work for a LN shooter from the 6th floor SE corner TSBD.

Others believe the Clark Panel found a second wound track, meaning 2 separate bullets.

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Offline Jerry Organ

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« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2020, 05:00:31 PM »
Right Jerry.

These are the same autopsy doctors who missed the throat wound.

So maybe they weren't competent enough to accurately locate the skull entry wound through palpation of an unshaven damaged skull. Maybe Humes mistook some unusual bump or fracture edge as the EOP.

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They also, if you're to believe the Clark Panel, Rockefeller Commission, HSCA and I think the Church Committee, placed the wound in the back of JFK's skull to low. 4 inches too low.

Apples and oranges. The "back wound" was the least ambiguous. It was on the body's surface where there is almost no hair and it could be easily measured. Unlike the tracheotomy wound, the back wound was instantly recognizable as a bullet wound. The Clark Panel -- as did Humes et al in the Military Review -- were fully supportive of the back wound location as described in the autopsy report.

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Although some believe it was changed by the Clark Panel only after critics pointed out a wound at EOP on the back of JFK's skull doesn't work for a LN shooter from the 6th floor SE corner TSBD.

Others believe the Clark Panel found a second wound track, meaning 2 separate bullets.

Was anybody (for example: Six Seconds in Dallas) prior to 1968/9 claiming the EOP wound didn't work for a LN shooter?

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« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2020, 06:20:26 PM »

   If You are going to agree that the Autopsy Dr's, "weren't competent", You are also casting Doubt on Everything Else that these same Dr's observed/touched/& measured during the Autopsy. Thanks for that Jerry!

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Six Seconds in Dallas-- Old book, a must read
« Reply #93 on: April 27, 2020, 09:01:36 PM »
   You can Not have it both ways. Either you want to be "dead on, balls accurate" with Everything or You do Not. If you are going to be "dead on, balls accurate", then we have a Huge Issue with the size of the bullet hole in JFK's skull.

We don't have the size of the bullet hole in JFK's skull. The pathologists never measured it. Or if they did , they never recorded it.

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Re: Six Seconds in Dallas-- Old book, a must read
« Reply #94 on: April 27, 2020, 09:33:21 PM »
We don't have the size of the bullet hole in JFK's skull. The pathologists never measured it. Or if they did , they never recorded it.

   Better look again Magoo! Do you see that Mark drawn on the back of the head with a "15" to the side? Yeah, head wound and size.

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Re: Six Seconds in Dallas-- Old book, a must read
« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2020, 09:53:57 PM »
   Better look again Magoo! Do you see that Mark drawn on the back of the head with a "15" to the side? Yeah, head wound and size.

Those are the dimensions of the scalp laceration, not of the hole in the skull.

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Re: Six Seconds in Dallas-- Old book, a must read
« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2020, 09:53:57 PM »