The Smell of Gunpowder and the Smell of Bigfoot

[Joe Elliott]

I'd like to see a CTer 'smoking gun' (if you will) re-creation of the (alleged) cloud of smoke hanging around the grassy knoll. You know, where the shooters were all camo'd up as trees, foliage and whatnot.

See, all y'all would have to do is use the ammo and weapon that caused said smoke and.. oh, wait...

I would like to see that. And a few more things.

1.   Richard Trask said that the image on the Wiegman film is “frozen”. It does not move. If this is false, this would be easy to prove. One could show a brief snippet of the Wiegman film, or something like the following:

http://users.skynet.be/mar/Eng/Headshot/back&left-eng.htm#Sommet

showing consecutive frames of the Wiegman film, showing the “cloud” moving like a real cloud, possible a smoke cloud. I suspect the CT failure to come up with such is a strong indication that the image is frozen.

2.   There has been good video of small smoke clouds produced by a single shot rifle. Can CTers show a video where such a smoke cloud hangs around for a few seconds? They can choice as calm a day as they like, as long is the film is taken outdoors. Can a “frozen cloud” be recreated or is the Wiegman film the one and only example that has and can ever be produced?

[Joe Elliott]

Speaking of my favorite website:

http://users.skynet.be/mar/Eng/Headshot/back&left-eng.htm#Sommet

it is interesting that CTers can look at the large picture alternating between z312 and z313 and say its just too blurry to tell if JFK’s head moves forward relative to Jackie’s head. And since frame z313 is too blurry that z314 and z315 should be considered too blurry as well. So there is no evidence that JFK’s head moved forward at all just after z312.

But they can look at a still frame of the Wiegman film, and see a smoke cloud. Why it’s not too blurry at all. Not only is it a smoke cloud it is clearly a gun smoke cloud. People who can’t see that are just seeing what they want to see.

[Jack Trojan]

Does your pineal gland tell you every night when you go to bed that we live in an evil, evil,  evil CIA and FBI-controlled Deep State?

--  MWT 

Yes, back in 63. Why is that far-fetched? Did JFK authorize the Bay of Pigs invasion? No, Dulles and Angleton were full steam ahead with that fiasco. They represented the Deep State back then, which included Hoover and Johnson. Only they could have set up the Big Event, not the KGB. And when JFK threatened to dismantle the CIA and fired Dulles he sealed his fate. The Soviets wouldn't dare get into the mix because they didn't have to. They were alerted so WWIII didn't ensue. But you will never agree to that because you are all in with your KGB theory. And what's all this about bigfoot not existing? 

[Thomas Graves]

Yes, back in 63. Why is that far-fetched? Did JFK authorize the Bay of Pigs invasion? No, Dulles and Angleton were full steam ahead with that fiasco. They represented the Deep State back then, which included Hoover and Johnson. Only they could have set up the Big Event, not the KGB. And when JFK threatened to dismantle the CIA and fired Dulles he sealed his fate. The Soviets wouldn't dare get into the mix because they didn't have to. They were alerted so WWIII didn't ensue. But you will never agree to that because you are all in with your KGB theory. And what's all this about bigfoot not existing? 

Wow, you must have read some ill-informed quasi-historical / quasi-political tracts by Joachim Joesten, Mark Lane, Josiah Thompson, Jim Garrison, James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio, Jefferson Morley, Bill Simpich, John Newman, Peter Dale Scott, et al. ad nauseam, and seen "JFK: The Hysterical Movie," too!

Go have a major colonic, and then try reading "Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA".

Then move up to Tennent H.Bagley's "Spy Wars" and "Ghosts of the Spy Wars."

All three of those works are free-to-read on the Internet.

(Funny how you realize that KGB-boy Putin made Trump our president, but don't seem to be able to connect the dots between that event and ... well ... "The Big Event")

--  MWT 

[Jack Trojan]

Wow, you must have read some ill-informed quasi-historical / quasi-political tracts by Joachim Joesten, Mark Lane, Josiah Thompson, Jim Garrison, James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio, Jefferson Morley, Bill Simpich, John Newman, Peter Dale Scott, et al. ad nauseam, and seen "JFK: The Hysterical Movie," too!

Go have a major colonic, and then try reading "Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA".

Then move up to Tennent H.Bagley's "Spy Wars" and "Ghosts of the Spy Wars."

All three of those works are free-to-read on the Internet.

(Funny how you realize that KGB-boy Putin made Trump our president, but don't seem to be able to connect the dots between that event and ... well ... "The Big Event")

--  MWT 

Nice try. The KGB could never have set up the motorcade route or got Oswald a job at the TSBD or switched coffins or controlled the autopsy and on and on. Did they help the DPD sheep dip Oswald? Did they also set up Thomas Arthur Vallee in Chicago? You need to get out more and just let the "evil evil evil"...Deep State thing go.

-- MWJ

[Joe Elliott]

OP said:  "Eyewitnesses, Earwitnesses, Nose witnesses, are not reliable."

They ARE reliable so long as their 'evidence' jibes with the Warren Report.

The Pro LN witness reports are, in general, among the least reliable ‘evidence’ of Oswald being the lone assassin. For instance, three shells being found on the sixth floor is a better indication that three shots were fired than a majority of the witnesses remembering that there were three shots. No, I don’t consider Pro-LN witnesses as being reliable and Pro-CT witnesses unreliable. I consider all eyewitnesses to be unreliable, although they are sometimes, no doubt, correct. But when are they correct and when are they incorrect? I rather rely on evidence, not the witnesses.

[Thomas Graves]

Nice try. The KGB could never have set up the motorcade route or got Oswald a job at the TSBD or switched coffins or controlled the autopsy and on and on. Did they help the DPD sheep dip Oswald? Did they also set up Thomas Arthur Vallee in Chicago? You need to get out more and just let the "evil evil evil"...Deep State thing go.

-- MWJ 

The way I see it, Oswald went rogue and got lucky, not shooting-wise, but location-wise.

But you do raise an interesting question:  How much did Russophile Ruthie really like Russia?

And that George DeMohrenschildt-- was he really a long-term KGB "illegal" as Clare Edward Petty, based on his close reading of some WW II VENONA decrypts, suspected in the mid-1970s, according to Richard Russell in "The Man Who Knew Too Much"?

And Marina!  Was she, as some people suspect, really a KGB "honeytrapper" in Leningrad before she met her Knight In Shining Armor?

And was Ivan Obyedkov, the Soviet Embassy "security guard" who volunteered the made-radioactive-by-KGB name "Kostikov" to a bad Russian speaking and a bad English speaking Oswald impersonator over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline in Mexico City really a Kremlin-loyal triple-agent, as James Angleton intimated in his top-secret June, 1975, Church Committee testimony?

What say you, Comrade?

--  MWT 

[Jerry Freeman]

The way I see it, Oswald went rogue and got lucky, not shooting-wise, but location-wise.

                  Keep 'em coming!