Point being, we should open up our economy, get people back to work.
With restrictions. Must wear masks. No visit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc.
Keep the churches closed. Public singing is one of the best ways to spread the disease.
Sports events can be held and televised, but with no fans. Shouting fans is one of the best ways to spread the disease.
Only open up the minimum needed to get the economy going.
Open up the schools as soon as possible. Consider making up for lost time with the schools open in the summer to complete the current grade. We are behind the rest of the world in education too much as it is.
Wrecking the economy kills people too. Did more people die in the “Spanish” flu of 1918 or as the result of the Great Depression.
Dr. Wecht is 89 years old. I don't know how his age affects the soundness of his judgment currently and neither do you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_WechtJoe, you don't know what you don't know, and you appear to reach uninformed conclusions similar to Trump's, as well as his simplistic messaging. Your posts in this thread resemble reactionary ranting.
Does your vision include imprisoning nursing home caregivers inside their workplaces indefinitely or removing all older teachers from schools and perhaps housing the children in the schools to lower risk to their parents and grandparents since children do contract and spread covid-19?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Around_the_globe
The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus......
.....In the U.S., about 28% of the population of 105 million became infected, and 500,000 to 850,000 died (0.48 to 0.81 percent of the population).[79][80][81] Native American tribes were particularly hard hit. In the Four Corners area, there were 3,293 registered deaths among Native Americans.[82] Entire Inuit and Alaskan Native village communities died in Alaska.[83] In Canada, 50,000 died.[84]
https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/26/navajo-nation-covid-19-youth-response-elders-health/
May 26, 2020
.....Navajo residents have been devastated as the virus has swept through a reservation that spans four states. Already, 4,633 people have tested positive for the coronavirus, and 153 have died as of May 23, a staggering toll in a population of 356,000 — and the highest infection rate of anywhere in the U.S....
Sweden did not experience overwhelmed hospitals, as the U.S. has in several major cities. Lockdown orders in the U.S. were initially local decisions, commencing first in S.F. Bay area and in the state of Washington. There was never a national closing of the economy.
The S.F. Bay area slowed the rate of contagion, buying time for its healthcare provider network and saving lives and permanent health damage and other survivor complications....
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/30/coronavirus-california-passes-4000-covid-19-deaths-records-second-most-new-cases-ever/
Coronavirus: California passes 4,000 COVID-19 deaths, records second-most new cases ever
The state also recorded 92 COVID-19 deaths, higher than average
May 30, 2020
California recorded 92 deaths from COVID-19 on Friday, bringing the fatal toll of the virus in the state to 4,084, starting with Patricia Dowd, 57, who died in her East San Jose home in February 6, weeks before the rapid spread of the virus prompted an unprecedented shelter-in-place order.
California counties also reported 2,959 new COVID-19 cases, just one shy of the most new cases reported in a single day, a record set on Tuesday. New cases have spiked statewide and in parts of the Bay Area, although it’s hard to know if that’s indicative of the continued spread of the virus or a result of a ramp-up in COVID-19 testing.
The state now has a seven-day average of 2,313 new daily cases — the highest daily average since the start of the pandemic — and 59.6 new daily deaths. New deaths have been slowly declining over the past week after averaging more than 70 new daily fatalities for most of May......
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-13/california-coronavirus-disney-shutdown-economyMarch 13, Santa Clara county has most cases in CA, 79 cases of 247 cases, statewide.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/coronavirus-daily-news-updates-may-30-what-to-know-today-about-covid-19-in-the-seattle-area-washington-state-and-the-world/Different areas of the U.S. have different political majorities, some viewing life as irreplaceable.... fortunes can be reattained, reviving the dead, not so much.
What is a child stricken with circulatory inflammatory symptoms worth, Joe, or your grandmother, or an E.R. physician or a critical care nurse? What is the life of a 90 year old, Korean war veteran living in an underprepared, underprotected, V.A. long term care facility worth, or the lives of the younger caregivers employed there?
https://people.com/health/at-least-26-states-report-cases-of-coronavirus-related-inflammatory-syndrome-in-children/
May 27, 2020
Cases of the coronavirus-related inflammatory illness affecting children have now been reported in at least 26 states across the country.
The virus literally "kicked in the door" of the tri-state, N.Y. metro region, a consequence of three major international airports handling upwards of half of all European arrivals into the U.S.
NYC receives 33 million visitors in a routine year, many from foreign countries. How many visitors come to Stockholm annually?
West Virginia and other "S-Hole" states are rather insular, less covid-19 cases because of more rural and less introduction conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area
The New York metropolitan area is the largest metropolitan area in the world by urban landmass, at 3,450.2 sq mi (8,936 km2).[17] The metropolitan area includes New York City (the most populous city in the United States), Long Island, and the Mid and Lower Hudson Valley in the state of New York; the five largest cities in New Jersey: Newark, Jersey City, Paterson, Elizabeth, and Edison, and their vicinities; and six of the seven largest cities in Connecticut: Bridgeport, New Haven, Stamford, Waterbury, Norwalk, and Danbury, and their vicinities. The New York metropolitan area is part of the larger Northeast Megalopolis.
The New York metropolitan area remains, by a significant margin, the most populous in the United States, as defined by both the Metropolitan Statistical Area (20.3 million residents in 2017)[13] and the Combined Statistical Area (23.7 million residents in 2016). The metropolitan area is home to approximately 6% of the United States' population.[18] It is the largest urban agglomeration in the Americas and the tenth largest in the world.[19][20][21] The New York metropolitan area continues to be the premier gateway for legal immigration to the United States,[22][23][24][25] with the largest foreign-born population of any metropolitan region in the world.
The areas that could practically have not locked down at all in the U.S. seemed generally to be the last to close, whereas the costal population centers that also happened to generate far and away the greatest GDP in the U.S., supporting federal revenue, literally had no responsible choice for their political leaders, who also tended to prioritize public health protection.... of most vulenerable residents and of the care giver infrastructure, erred on the side of protecting health than on preserving immediate economic activity.
You assume there was much wider leeway in the decision making of authorities where most people live in the U.S. than there actually was, or still is.
You do not even mention, I have no way of knowing if you've considered it, the psychological effect on the noninfected when they happen to notice that their local hospitals have been overrun, care givers and frontline personnel infected in increasing numbers, their appointments with their own care givers cancelled, widely reported shortages of PPE and of hospital equipment.
It does not take a local government order to strip supermarket shelves, empty restaurants and movie theaters and sporting events. For the NBA, itself, two suddenly infected players on one team resulted in the shut down of the entire NBA, a prudent business decision at the time, by the majority of the team owners.
You seem to exhibit the mindset of a resident of an infrequently visited place. I doubt you slaughter chickens or pigs for a living.
The monopolistic profits of the few consolidated meat processors and packers in the U.S., Tyson and Smithfield being two of the most prominent, were not even an incentive great enough for those businesses to take extraordinary steps necessary to safeguard the infections risks to their most vital operating resources, their processing line workers!
These are stats of the district
OCA represents in congress. Joe, do you think she is comparing the Swedish covid-19 impact and public health policy with the impact and policy in her district?
https://www.city-journal.org/html/joseph-crowleys-defeat-15995.html
It’s Not Archie Bunker’s District Anymore
Joseph Crowley’s defeat reflects two demographic shifts in the outer boroughs.
Dennis Saffran - June 28, 2018 New YorkPolitics and law
...The current district is 46 percent Hispanic, 11 percent black, 16 percent Asian, and 25 percent white, and many of the whites are affluent hipster transplants to gentrifying sections of Astoria, Sunnyside, and Jackson Heights.
This newly drawn district proved perfect for Ocasio-Cortez, who beat Crowley not just among Latinos but also in many white areas, where “woke” Bernie Bros voted but the Democratic Party organization couldn’t turn out the vestiges of its old ethnic base....
You don't post as if you are black or hispanic, Joe. Have you accounted for the level of affordable healthcare access or the poverty rate of the average Swede vs the average American or the racial diversity of the U.S. population of 335 million vs the 10,203,000 mostly caucasian, Swedes?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/30/865413079/what-do-coronavirus-racial-disparities-look-like-state-by-state
What Do Coronavirus Racial Disparities Look Like State By State?
May 30, 2020 6:00 AM ET
....NPR analyzed COVID-19 demographic data collected by the COVID Racial Tracker, a joint project of the Antiracist Research & Policy Center and the COVID Tracking Project. This analysis compares each racial or ethnic group's share of infections or deaths — where race and ethnicity is known — with their share of population. Here's what it shows:
Nationally, African-American deaths from COVID-19 are nearly two times greater than would be expected based on their share of the population. In four states, the rate is three or more times greater.
In 42 states plus Washington D.C., Hispanics/Latinos make up a greater share of confirmed cases than their share of the population. In eight states, it's more than four times greater.
White deaths from COVID-19 are lower than their share of the population in 37 states and the District of Columbia.
Major holes in the data remain: 48% of cases and 9% of deaths still have no race tied to them. ...
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.html
Sweden
Ethnic groups:This entry provides an ordered listing of ethnic groups starting with the largest and normally includes the percent of total population. Ethnic groups field listing
Swedish 80.9%, Syrian 1.8%, Finnish 1.4%, Iraqi 1.4%, other 14.5%
population pyramid
Maternal mortality rate:The maternal mortality rate (MMR) is the annual number of female deaths per 100,000 live births from any cause related to or aggravated by pregnancy or its management (excluding accidental or incidental causes). The MMR includes deaths during pregnancy, childbirth, or within 42 days of termination of pregnancy, irrespective of the duration and site of the pregnancy, for a specified year.Maternal mortality rate field listing
4 deaths/100,000 live births (2017 est.)
country comparison to the world: 175
Infant mortality rate:This entry gives the number of deaths of infants under one year old in a given year per 1,000 live births in the same year. This rate is often used as an indicator of the level of health in a country.Infant mortality rate field listing
total: 2.6 deaths/1,000 live births
Obesity - adult prevalence rate: 20.6% (2016)
https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/annual/measure/IMR/state/LA
Obesity
U.S. Value: : 30.9%
Healthiest State: Colorado: 22.9%
Obesity - Female
LA: 39.5% U.S.: 31.3%
Obesity - Male: LA: 34.1%
U.S.: 30.6% Percentage of adults
Least-healthy States: Mississippi, West Virginia: 39.5%
Louisiana:
......Since 1990, infant mortality decreased 36% from 11.8 to 7.5 deaths per 1,000 live births
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.html
Population below poverty line:National estimates of the percentage of the population falling below the poverty line are based on surveys of sub-groups, with the results weighted by the number of people in each group. Definitions of poverty vary considerably among nations. For example, rich nations generally employ more generous standards of poverty than poor nations.Population below poverty line field listing
15% (2014 est.)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa2011686
Hospitalization and Mortality among Black Patients and White Patients with Covid-19
List of authors.
Eboni G. Price-Haywood, M.D., M.P.H., Jeffrey Burton, Ph.D., Daniel Fort, Ph.D., and Leonardo Seoane, M.D.
May 27, 2020
...RESULTS
A total of 3626 patients tested positive, of whom 145 were excluded (84 had missing data on race or ethnic group, 9 were Hispanic, and 52 were Asian or of another race or ethnic group). Of the 3481 Covid-19–positive patients included in our analyses, 60.0% were female, 70.4% were black non-Hispanic, and 29.6% were white non-Hispanic. Black patients had higher prevalences of obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and chronic kidney disease than white patients. A total of 39.7% of Covid-19–positive patients (1382 patients) were hospitalized, 76.9% of whom were black. In multivariable analyses, black race, increasing age, a higher score on the Charlson Comorbidity Index (indicating a greater burden of illness), public insurance (Medicare or Medicaid), residence in a low-income area, and obesity were associated with increased odds of hospital admission. Among the 326 patients who died from Covid-19, 70.6% were black. In adjusted time-to-event analyses, variables that were associated with higher in-hospital mortality were increasing age and presentation with an elevated respiratory rate; elevated levels of venous lactate, creatinine, or procalcitonin; or low platelet or lymphocyte counts. However, black race was not independently associated with higher mortality (hazard ratio for death vs. white race, 0.89; 95% confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.17)....
