If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

[Colin Crow]

It shows how eyewitnesses change their story. Norman may only have said they went to the windows because Williams and Jarman said they did. Norman may have no independent recollection of going to the windows and this is coming through now in the Jan 1964 report.

Vicky Adams couldn't have come down the stars as quick as she stated for the simple reason that she would have ran straight into Truly and Baker. And of course Oswald which she claimed she never even heard on the stairs.

I could propose his story didn’t change. It simply did not contain a detail he had supplied on three previous occasions. I’m sure the investigators could work it out with corroboration. I wonder why Adams and Styles were not included in the recreations conducted by Ball and Belin. Dougherty was excluded also, such an important witness regarding the movement of the west elevator just before and after the shots.

[Gerry Down]

I could propose his story didn’t change. It simply did not contain a detail he had supplied on three previous occasions. I’m sure the investigators could work it out with corroboration. I wonder why Adams and Styles were not included in the recreations conducted by Ball and Belin. Dougherty was excluded also, such an important witness regarding the movement of the west elevator just before and after the shots.

It was good not to include them. Adams and Styles were misremembering the timing and Dougherty, who was described as retarded by Truly, would only complicate matters even more. The result would have been a mess.

[Colin Crow]

It was good not to include them. Adams and Styles were misremembering the timing and Dougherty, who was described as retarded by Truly, would only complicate matters even more. The result would have been a mess.

If they were misremembering surely that would have surfaced in the recreations. Do you believe Dougherty used the West elevator immediately before and after the shots?

[Gerry Down]

Do you believe Dougherty used the West elevator immediately before and after the shots?

The problem is that Dougherty claimed to be right beside the north stairwell. If his memory is correct, he should have seen Oswald (or whoever fired the shots from the 6th floor) coming down the north stairwell.

If Oliver Stones JFK movie is to believed, a whole group of assassins were on the 6th floor at the time. Dougherty needs to explain why he heard no one come down the stairs.

Seems odd. Dougherty heard no one come down the stairs and neither did Adams and Styles. Maybe the stairs weren't as noisy as people claim.

[Colin Crow]

The problem is that Dougherty claimed to be right beside the north stairwell. If his memory is correct, he should have seen Oswald (or whoever fired the shots from the 6th floor) coming down the north stairwell.

If Oliver Stones JFK movie is to believed, a whole group of assassins were on the 6th floor at the time. Dougherty needs to explain why he heard no one come down the stairs.

Seems odd. Dougherty heard no one come down the stairs and neither did Adams and Styles. Maybe the stairs weren't as noisy as people claim.

And his moving of the west elevator before and after the shots? We know it did move. Do you think it was him?

[Gerry Down]

And his moving of the west elevator before and after the shots? We know it did move. Do you think it was him?

It would have to be. Both Dougherty and Piper said he came down on the elevator and they had a conversation. I don't think you could trust Dougherty on his own, but with Piper backing him up, at least this sequence of events must have occurred.

[Colin Crow]

It would have to be. Both Dougherty and Piper said he came down on the elevator and they had a conversation. I don't think you could trust Dougherty on his own, but with Piper backing him up, at least this sequence of events must have occurred.

And so you have the conundrum of Dougherty close to the elevator and yet not noticing a fleeing assassin descending the stairwell. It seems he is reliable when required but retarded when unsupportive of the official narrative.  Interesting that Williams noticed Baker come up the stairs and head to the east elevator from his position about 100 feet away at the south west corner windows just moments later.

[Dan O'meara]

This perfectly illustrates the problem with Vicky Adams testimony. According to the above, Normans EARLIEST account, the guys on the 5th floor ran down the back stairwell IMMEDIATELY after the shots had been fired. Which of course they didn't. They actually went to the west windows for a minute or two.

People make generalized statements, like Norman here, which people then take literally.

What likely happened is that Adams made a generalized statement early on, which she then later modified into a literal one due to bad memory.

This is just completely incorrect. Nowhere in the statement is the word 'IMMEDIATELY' used or even hinted at. You have introduced it then started to make generalised statements off the back of it. Norman is simply listing what happened in a very basic statement:
Went outside
Came back inside
Up to fifth floor
BRW joins them
Watch parade
Shots
Run downstairs

Sure, he's missed out going to the west window but he also misses out other important points such as the location of the shooter. The notion of them running down the stairs immediately after the shots has been introduced by you.Then you use this made-up assumption to cast doubt on Vicki Adam's testimony (where did Adams come into it?)
Adams and Styles do make it down before Truly and Baker, something discussed in detail earlier in this thread.
Dougherty's story about going down to Piper is a falsehood (apart from being crazy). Also discussed earlier - Dougherty can't make it down from the 5th, have his encounter with Piper and get back up to the 5th before Truly and Baker arrive at the elevators. Therefore, after hearing the shots, Dougherty must be stood next to the elevator for a minute or more, at least, before he decides to go down for his totally encounter with Piper, something Piper has zero recollection of. Dougherty's story about going down to Piper is a lie,
Why can't Dougherty be the white male holding the rifle spotted by Rowland?