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Offline Tim Nickerson

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For anyone who might be interested, I have decided to stop selling my book Hasty Judgment: Why the JFK Case Is Not Closed and to make it available free of charge online in PDF format. The book is my reply to Gerald Posner's book Case Closed. The book includes the transcript of my interview with an NSA photographic technician regarding the backyard rifle photos. Here's the link to the book:

https://miketgriffith.com/files/hastyjudgmentbook.pdf

I asked you this question before but you must have overlooked it. How have you determined that more fragments were recovered from Governor Connally's wrist alone than are missing from CE 399?

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Offline John Mytton

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The three photographs differ among themselves in camera tilt, parallax, etc. Changes caused by the camera being held in a unique manner for each exposure. There's shadow movement seen on objects as well, meaning time has passed between each picture

Don't see what the camera being "cheap" has to do with anything.

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There's shadow movement seen on objects as well, meaning time has passed between each picture

Yep nice pickup Jerry, the electricity wires cast a shadow in different positions onto the stair support post which is proof positive that each photo was taken at a different time.



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I asked you this question before but you must have overlooked it. How have you determined that more fragments were recovered from Governor Connally's wrist alone than are missing from CE 399?



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Offline John Iacoletti

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Like anyone actually knows how much lead was missing from CE 399.

Offline Tom Scully

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Like anyone actually knows how much lead was missing from CE 399.

How much truth was missing from the WC inquiry and Report? Is beyond reasonable doubt a standard of guilt exclusive for still living accused?



Gov. Connally was fortunate not to have been hit by any of these other rounds.:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62296#relPageId=35&tab=page



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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m1.htm
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....Mr. BAKER - As we approached the corner there of Main and Houston we were making a right turn, and as I came out behind that building there, which is the county courthouse, the sheriff building, well, there was a strong wind hit me and I almost lost my balance.

Mr. BELIN - How fast would you estimate the speed of your motorcycle as you turned the corner, if you know?
Mr. BAKER - I would say--it wasn't very fast. I almost lost balance, we were just creeping along real slowly.
Mr. DULLES - That is turning from Main into Houston?
Mr. BAKER - That is right, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You turned-do you have any actual speed estimate as you turned that corner at all or just you would say very slow?
Mr. BAKER - I would say from around 5 to 6 or 7 miles an hour, because you can't hardly travel under that and you know keep your balance.
Mr. BELIN - From what direction was the wind coming When it hit you?
Mr. BAKER - Due north.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Now, tell us what happened after you turned on to Houston Street?
Mr. BAKER - AS I got myself straightened up there, I guess it took me some 20, 30 feet, something like that, and it was about that time that I heard these shots come out.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Could you just tell us what you heard and what you saw and what you did?
Mr. BAKER - As I got, like I say as I got straightened up there, I was, I don't know when these shots started coming off, I just--it seemed to me like they were high, and I just happened to look right straight up---

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....Mr. ELY - Is it possible, Colonel, to tell anything from this scorebook, assuming for the moment that it was accurately maintained, concerning the marksmanship of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Colonel FOLSOM - Well, yes. But very generally. For instance, at 200 yards slow fire on Tuesday, at 200 yards slow fire, offhand position----
Mr. ELY - You are referring, are you not, to the page designated 22 in Oswald's scorebook?
Colonel FOLSOM - Right--well, 22 as opposed to 23. He got out in the three ring, which is not good. They should be able to keep them--all 10 shots within the four ring.
Mr. ELY - And even if his weapon needed a great deal of adjustment in terms of elevation or windage, he still would have a closer group than that if he were a good shot?
Colonel FOLSOM - Yes. As a matter of fact, at 200 yards, people should get a score of between 48 and 50 in the offhand position.
Mr. ELY - And what was his score?
Colonel FOLSOM - Well, total shown on page 22 would be he got a score of 34 out of a possible 50 on Tuesday, as shown on page 22 of his record book. On Wednesday, he got a score of 38, improved four points. Do you want to compute these?
Mr. ELY - I don't see any point in doing this page by page.
I just wonder, after having looked through the whole scorebook, if we could fairly say that all that it proves is that at this stage of his career he was not a particularly outstanding shot.
Colonel FOLSOM - No, no, he was not.
His scorebook indicates--as a matter of fact--that he did well at one or two ranges in order to achieve the two points over the minimum score for sharpshooter.
Mr. ELY - In other words, he had a good day the day he fired for qualification?
Colonel FOLSOM - I would say so....

"Sgt. Schultz" imitations from everyone who allegedly touched ce-399  :

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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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A few points in reply to various comments about the rifle palmprint:

* Keep in mind that Hoover’s September 4 memo, which claimed that irregularities from the rifle barrel could be seen in the palmprint lift, came a week after Liebeler’s August 28 memo. After Liebeler wrote the August 28 memo expressing doubts about the palmprint, Rankin wrote to the FBI on September 1 requesting additional information about the palmprint. Hoover’s September 4 memo was written in reply to Rankin’s request.

* We know from an internal FBI memo released in 1978 that before Rankin sent his September 1 memo to the FBI, he warned the FBI on August 28 that there was “a serious question in the minds of the Commission” about whether or not the palmprint was a “legitimate latent palm impression removed from the rifle barrel or whether it was obtained from some other source,” and that “this matter needs to be resolved.”

* In his September 4 reply, Hoover claimed that FBI “laboratory examiners” determined that the palmprint came from the rifle barrel because they said that irregularities on the rifle barrel could be seen in the palmprint lift. Let us state a few obvious facts about this claim:

-- The unnamed lab examiners were never called to testify about this alleged finding.

-- Hoover’s memo was not a sworn statement, and the lab examiners provided no sworn statement either.

-- Hoover did not address the issue of how and when the palmprint allegedly got on the rifle before it was supposedly lifted.

-- The WC made no effort to independently verify Hoover’s claim.

-- Vincent Scalice, the HSCA fingerprint expert who claimed he examined the original palmprint lift, said nothing about finding impressions of irregularities from the barrel on the palmprint lift. Not one word.

* Sylvia Meagher’s critique of Hoover’s claim is one of the best ever written. I quote a sizable part of it in my article “Was Oswald’s Palmprint Planted on the Alleged Murder Weapon?” Rather than quote it here, I refer interested readers to my article:

https://miketgriffith.com/files/palmprint.htm

* But let us assume for the sake of argument that the palmprint came from the rifle barrel. This would not automatically prove the print to be incriminating. Why? Because the FBI sent the rifle back to Dallas on 11/24, so the rifle was available in Dallas from 11/24 until Lt. Day handed it over for the second and final time to the FBI on 11/26. And we know that FBI agents took fingerprints and palmprints from Oswald’s body in the morgue on 11/24, a fact that Agent Drain found baffling and suspicious.

* Why did the FBI send the rifle back to Dallas on 11/24 only take it again on 11/26? Why? What was up with that? Why send it back for two days and then pick it up again? Why? Because Oswald’s palmprint needed to be planted on it?

* The fact that FBI agents spent a long time with Oswald’s body on 11/24 and took prints from it is well documented. This suspicious excursion was reported in the local press (Fort Worth Press), and the funeral home director, Paul Groody, confirmed the strange visit in multiple interviews.

* Therefore, at some point between the rifle’s return to Dallas on 11/24 and Oswald’s burial the next day, the rifle could have been taken to the morgue and the barrel could have been pressed and rolled against Oswald’s palm (although, as Meagher noted, Latona gave no indication that the palmprint he examined had any of the disruptions and omissions that one would see in a palmprint created by a hand holding a rifle barrel).

* Another way the palmprint could have been planted on the rifle barrel would have been to take a fresh Oswald palmprint lift and place it on the barrel. Forensic experts have known since the 1930s that lifts can be placed on other surfaces, not just on fingerprint cards. The differences between a real print and a planted one are not always readily apparent, and sometimes the differences can only be detected by microscopic examination:

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Later we learned that a genuine latent impression could be picked up bodily and transplanted by means of a surprisingly simple transfer material. This looked formidable at first, but on examining the transferred impressions microscopically it was discovered that they differed in two aspects from the genuine. . . . .

While the problem of planting forged finger-prints at the site of crime is probably not quite so simple as Wehde implies, we have no doubt that in practice it could be done so skillfully as to escape detection and permit the forgeries to pass for genuine. (C.D. Lee, “Fingerprints Can Be Forged,” Police Science, Winter 1934, volume 25, pp. 672-673, available at https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2507&context=jclc)

* Interestingly, Agent Drain suggested that the palmprint was planted on the rifle by taking one of Oswald’s palmprint cards and putting the impression on the rifle: “You could take the print off Oswald's card and put it on the rifle. Something like that happened” (Henry Hurt, Reasonable Doubt, p. 109).
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A few points in reply to various comments about the rifle palmprint:

* Keep in mind that Hoover’s September 4 memo, which claimed that irregularities from the rifle barrel could be seen in the palmprint lift, came a week after Liebeler’s August 28 memo. After Liebeler wrote the August 28 memo expressing doubts about the palmprint, Rankin wrote to the FBI on September 1 requesting additional information about the palmprint. Hoover’s September 4 memo was written in reply to Rankin’s request.

* We know from an internal FBI memo released in 1978 that before Rankin sent his September 1 memo to the FBI, he warned the FBI on August 28 that there was “a serious question in the minds of the Commission” about whether or not the palmprint was a “legitimate latent palm impression removed from the rifle barrel or whether it was obtained from some other source,” and that “this matter needs to be resolved.”

* In his September 4 reply, Hoover claimed that FBI “laboratory examiners” determined that the palmprint came from the rifle barrel because they said that irregularities on the rifle barrel could be seen in the palmprint lift. Let us state a few obvious facts about this claim:

-- The unnamed lab examiners were never called to testify about this alleged finding.

-- Hoover’s memo was not a sworn statement, and the lab examiners provided no sworn statement either.

-- Hoover did not address the issue of how and when the palmprint allegedly got on the rifle before it was supposedly lifted.

-- The WC made no effort to independently verify Hoover’s claim.

Latona himself met with Rankin and Liebeler on the same day of the memo to discuss latent print issues. The latent palm print lifted by Day was one of those issues. While Hoover’s memo was not a sworn statement, and the lab examiners provided no sworn statement either, Liebeler did swear under oath that it was Latona who matched the lift with the barrel of the rifle.

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-- Vincent Scalice, the HSCA fingerprint expert who claimed he examined the original palmprint lift, said nothing about finding impressions of irregularities from the barrel on the palmprint lift. Not one word.

Scalise reported that he identified five points of identity which match the lift to the barrel. If not impressions of irregularities, then what could those points of identity possibly have been? How else could they have been described?

It seems that Cecil Kirk also matched the lift to the barrel. He found six points of matching identity. Although, his finding was never included in the HSCA volumes. It's not confirmed to my satisfaction that he did. It's just something that I stumbled upon.

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Also found in the archive is a four page typewritten statement, likely done sometime after Kirk testified before the House committee, discussing the circumstances surrounding the "latent palm print" that conspiracy theorists alleged was faked to frame Oswald. Using photographic analysis Kirk demonstrated six defects on the gun that matched the flaws on the palm print taken by the F.B.I.: "The photographs of the barrel were in effect an aerial survey which was used to locate those six craters (metal defects) that were recorded by the latent print lift 15 years earlier. Indeed, they were found to still exist and can be recognized in the photographic documentation."
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https://goldinauctions.com/1978_John_F_Kennedy_Archive_Collection__University-LOT18935.aspx

It'd be nice to find a copy of that letter.

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* Why did the FBI send the rifle back to Dallas on 11/24 only take it again on 11/26? Why? What was up with that? Why send it back for two days and then pick it up again? Why? Because Oswald’s palmprint needed to be planted on it?

The FBI sent the rifle back to the DPD on the 24th because it was part of the agreement in getting the DPD to hand it over to them on the 22nd. They received it again on the 26th by the request of DA Henry Wade, who instructed the DPD to turn all of the evidence in the assassination over to the FBI.


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* But let us assume for the sake of argument that the palmprint came from the rifle barrel. This would not automatically prove the print to be incriminating. Why? Because the FBI sent the rifle back to Dallas on 11/24, so the rifle was available in Dallas from 11/24 until Lt. Day handed it over for the second and final time to the FBI on 11/26. And we know that FBI agents took fingerprints and palmprints from Oswald’s body in the morgue on 11/24, a fact that Agent Drain found baffling and suspicious.

* The fact that FBI agents spent a long time with Oswald’s body on 11/24 and took prints from it is well documented. This suspicious excursion was reported in the local press (Fort Worth Press), and the funeral home director, Paul Groody, confirmed the strange visit in multiple interviews.

* Therefore, at some point between the rifle’s return to Dallas on 11/24 and Oswald’s burial the next day, the rifle could have been taken to the morgue and the barrel could have been pressed and rolled against Oswald’s palm (although, as Meagher noted, Latona gave no indication that the palmprint he examined had any of the disruptions and omissions that one would see in a palmprint created by a hand holding a rifle barrel).

* Another way the palmprint could have been planted on the rifle barrel would have been to take a fresh Oswald palmprint lift and place it on the barrel. Forensic experts have known since the 1930s that lifts can be placed on other surfaces, not just on fingerprint cards. The differences between a real print and a planted one are not always readily apparent, and sometimes the differences can only be detected by microscopic examination:

Again, the problem with that, which I stated earlier, is that according to Paul Groody, he never even got to the funeral home with the body until around 11 o'clock that night. The FBI had handed the rifle back over to the DPD at 3:40 pm that day.



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* Interestingly, Agent Drain suggested that the palmprint was planted on the rifle by taking one of Oswald’s palmprint cards and putting the impression on the rifle: “You could take the print off Oswald's card and put it on the rifle. Something like that happened” (Henry Hurt, Reasonable Doubt, p. 109).

"As to Lieutenant Day, I've known him a long time, and I think that he's an honest individual." -- Vincent Drain, quoted in "No More Silence", by Larry Sneed, page 260

Day handed the lift over to Drain on November 26, 1963 and Drain signed for it.

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Liebeler did swear under oath that it was Latona who matched the lift with the barrel of the rifle.

Hearsay at best. There is no first hand account or documentation of any kind from Latona that he did this or what procedures he used or what the results were.

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