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[Tim Nickerson]

A photocopy made from a micro film is by definition a poor quality copy.

The experts I have worked with in the past will always qualify their opinion. And some would not even acccept a photocopy as a questioned document for the simple reason that photocopies can easily be manipulated. The mere fact that the "experts" in thise case did not qualify their opinions at all, makes their opinions questionable

As long as a piece of evidence has some connection to the case, it will normally be allowed in by the Judge. That itself says nothing about the quality and/veracity of that evidence.

As it stands no defense lawyer or even an independent expert has never been allowed to examine the document and/or the handwriting. With this in mind, to claim that "the established authorship of the money order has never been challenged by any expert" is utterly meaningless.

Since when is the legal standard: "The prosecutor has this evidence, we're not going to let you examine it and by the way your are found guilty because the prosecutor's evidence was never challenged"?

That's just asinine disingenuous.

CE 773 is a photograph, not a photocopy. It was developed off of a negative from Klein's roll of microfilm. Cadigan, Cole, McNally, and Scott all had that photograph at their disposal and they all concluded that the handwriting on the envelope and the order coupon was that of Oswald's.

"The committee asked the president of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners for recommendations on the leading experts in the field of questioned document examination, specifically handwritten documents. The committee then asked each of the people he recommended for their suggestions. Three names appeared consistently. After ascertaining that none had had a prior connection with the FBI or the Kennedy case, the committee requested that they undertake and examination of various documents. The panel members, all of whom belong to the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, were Joseph P. McNally, David J. Purtell, and Charles C. Scott."

There are your three independent experts.

[Martin Weidmann]

CE 773 is a photograph, not a photocopy. It was developed off of a negative from Klein's roll of microfilm. Cadigan, Cole, McNally, and Scott all had that photograph at their disposal and they all concluded that the handwriting on the envelope and the order coupon was that of Oswald's.

"The committee asked the president of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners for recommendations on the leading experts in the field of questioned document examination, specifically handwritten documents. The committee then asked each of the people he recommended for their suggestions. Three names appeared consistently. After ascertaining that none had had a prior connection with the FBI or the Kennedy case, the committee requested that they undertake and examination of various documents. The panel members, all of whom belong to the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, were Joseph P. McNally, David J. Purtell, and Charles C. Scott."

There are your three independent experts.

CE 773 is a photograph, not a photocopy. It was developed off of a negative from Klein's roll of microfilm.

Makes no difference. A microfilm is already a photocopy.

Cadigan, Cole, McNally, and Scott all had that photograph at their disposal and they all concluded that the handwriting on the envelope and the order coupon was that of Oswald's.

Again, handwriting examination isn't an exact science. All you've got is opinions.

There are your three independent experts.

Really? Remind me.... Who were they working for again? And what documents did they examine precisely?

[Tim Nickerson]

CE 773 is a photograph, not a photocopy. It was developed off of a negative from Klein's roll of microfilm.

Makes no difference. A microfilm is already a photocopy.

Is not.

b]Cadigan, Cole, McNally, and Scott all had that photograph at their disposal and they all concluded that the handwriting on the envelope and the order coupon was that of Oswald's.[/b]

Again, handwriting examination isn't an exact science. All you've got is opinions.

Handwriting identification is a forensic science and it is recognized as such by courts of law.

There are your three independent experts.

Really? Remind me.... Who were they working for again? And what documents did they examine precisely?

They were hired by the HSCA as independent experts. The items that were made available for them to examine can be found in their report.

[Jerry Freeman]

Yes, absolutely: here is a postmark made in Dallas showing postal zone 32:

It just might be the postal zone --would make sense.
[Dallas 32, Tex back then] now 75232 was Oswald's neighborhood coincidentally.
I looked around a bit and saw Dallas. Texas. 5 [would be maybe the Highland Park zone] here---


 
Here is a Dallas Texas 7 post mark...would be 75207 perhaps? The Riverfront area---


A lot of 50's and 60's Dallas post marks don't have any zips, zones or extra numbers.
And then some others [I could not copy] do have 1A or 1B. Who knows what that means?
But it actually should be written Dallas 32, Texas to mean a zone. It could be [as mentioned] a 2B upside down-- terrible printing though.
Currently, all mail cancellations are made up near Coppell Tx [DFW airport] and zips are not even used anymore.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Here is a simple question that has not been asked yet: When Lt. Day gave Agent Drain the rifle on the night of 11/22, why didn't he hand over the palmprint lift?

For that matter, why didn't Lt. Day even tell Drain about the palmprint? Day claimed that he did, but Drain insisted that Day never said a word about the palmprint or else he would have informed FBI HQ about it when he arrived there a few hours later with the rifle. (I hope no one will cite the very belated tale told by one of Day's Dallas law enforcement buddies that Drain "wasn't paying attention" when Day supposedly told him about the palmprint.)

This explains why the FBI's Sebastian Latona told the WC that as of 11/23, he had heard nothing about a palmprint being found on the rifle.

Interestingly, in 1978, FBI agent Ben Harrison told Gary Mack that he took the alleged murder rifle to the Miller Funeral Home when FBI agents took fingerprints and palmprints from Oswald's body. He said his understanding was that Oswald's palmprint was to be placed on the rifle "for comparison purposes."

[Jerry Freeman]

  He said his understanding was that Oswald's palmprint was to be placed on the rifle "for comparison purposes."

In 1978, the HSCA requested to see this “lift”, seeing it was part of the evidence Drain takes again on the 26th. Yet again, we have Day stating all the evidence was taken the 22nd. This palmprint cannot be found—the official reason states: It appears to have been be lost by the FBI.
Stanley...How can you be so careless?

[Martin Weidmann]

Is not.

Handwriting identification is a forensic science and it is recognized as such by courts of law.

They were hired by the HSCA as independent experts. The items that were made available for them to examine can be found in their report.

Is not.

Tim, really? ....It's either an original or it's a copy. Are you really arguing that a microfilm reproduction of a document is an original? You must be, if you disagree that a microfilm is a copy. That's just silly.

Handwriting identification is a forensic science and it is recognized as such by courts of law.

Another meaningless statement intended to give handwriting identification more scientific merit than it actually has. All handwriting experts can provide is a qualified opinion.

They were hired by the HSCA as independent experts. The items that were made available for them to examine can be found in their report.

Great, and how can we be sure that the items that were made available to them for examination were authentic? Which of those documents were used as the known standard and how were they conclusively determined to be exactly that?

Btw, you might want to have a closer look at the summary of conclusions in their report. It provides you with a perfect example of a qualified opinion.

(27) With the restrictions and reservations stated in each panel member's final report, * the members conclude, generally, that the signatures and handwriting purported to be by Oswald are consistently that of one person.

[John Iacoletti]

Notice that the amount on the deposit slip ($13,827.98) is the exact amount to the penny as that of the itemized deposit document dated March 13, 1963. How would you explain that?

You mean the itemized deposit document that just has "13,827.98" handwritten off to the side but is not reflected in the actual printout?