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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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It is too bad that Newsmax was not aware that several of the people whom Posner claimed to have interviewed later said they never spoke with him, including Dr. Boswell, whom Posner falsely quoted as having changed his mind about the location of the rear head entry wound. When Dr. Aguilar spoke with Dr. Boswell and asked him about Posner's claim, not only did Boswell adamantly deny changing his mind about the rear head entry wound but he insisted that he never even spoke with Posner. If Newsmax had known this, I wonder if they would have still included Posner in the documentary.

As usual, Posner makes several claims that have been debunked for years. And I see he repeats his yarn that if there was a grassy knoll gunman, he must have missed the entire limousine. Posner knows that the vast majority of conspiracy theorists do not believe this, but he keeps saying it anyway. It is too bad that the interviewer did not ask Posner about the wild miss that he proposes to explain the Tague wounding: Posner theorizes that his alleged lone-gunman not only fired a shot while his view of the limo was obscured by the oak tree, but that this ridiculous shot hit one of the tree's branches and sent a fragment streaking toward Tague.

Posner felt compelled to offer this theory because he at least recognized that the WC's theory--that a fragment from the head shot caused the Tague wounding--was even more ludicrous (yet we have several lone-gunman theorists in this forum who still defend it).

I was glad to see the documentary mention the fact that we've known for many years that the Kennedy family does not buy the lone-gunman theory. We know from released Soviet files that barely two weeks after the assassination, RFK and Jackie sent a close family friend to tell the Soviets that the Kennedys did not believe the Soviets were involved but that they believed JFK had been killed by a large "right-wing conspiracy."

Overall, this is a reasonably balanced documentary. It is much better than the pure-propaganda documentaries done by PBS and other major networks over the last 10 years.



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Offline Joffrey van de Wiel

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Hi Michael,

Glad you found the video interesting. I had no time to post additional comments as it was already late at night, so here are a few:

- what pleased me was the incredible clear footage of the motorcade - I'd almost only seen grainy movies until now. And I also appreciated President Kennedy's sense of humour: "Nobody wonders what Lyndon and I wear." "I am the man accompanying Mrs. Kennedy to Texas." LOL  :)

- Howard Brennan comes on and says the assassin "was in no great rush" and "paused for a moment" after firing the third shot. Do you think Oswald had time to do that? I am under the impression that Oswald was in a great rush in order to make it on time to the second floor lunchroom for his meeting with Roy Truly and officer Baker.

- Governor Connally is adamant about being hit by the second bullet. He didn't hear this shot. Which means either the first shot missed and the second shot produced the Magic Bullet, or the President and Governor were hit by separate bullets fired so closely together that multiple assassins had to be involved, right?

- What do you think of Dr. Posner's psycho-analyses of Oswald which starts about the 32:00 minute mark? That Oswald was bullied in school and in the Marines, was a loser with a lot of resentment and in order to make a name for himself assassinated the President?

- Do you think Vice President Johnson was involved? The documentary is partly devoted to this theory and shows Mr. Stone promoting this.

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Re: Free Book Now Available -- Hasty Judgment: Why the JFK Case Is Not Closed
« Reply #202 on: August 04, 2020, 01:50:43 AM »
Have you checked if those VC and serial numbers are actually in the master control book?

Mr. BELIN. Do you have any master control ledger or book of any kind that has these control numbers on them?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes. One copy is sent to what we call the booking department, and those are put into a master book, control book.
Mr. BELIN. Are you required by law to keep records of serial numbers of guns?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes.

I have not. Why do you want to know?

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Re: Free Book Now Available -- Hasty Judgment: Why the JFK Case Is Not Closed
« Reply #203 on: August 05, 2020, 01:09:30 AM »
Just wanted to make sure, as predicted, you couldn't deal with the Waldman 4 fantasy numbers.

Like Mytton and Von P.

The Nutters always chicken out on Waldman 4, love it.

Chicken out on Waldman 4? What are you talking about?


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Re: Free Book Now Available -- Hasty Judgment: Why the JFK Case Is Not Closed
« Reply #204 on: August 05, 2020, 11:46:50 PM »
No, your bluff will not work.

The WC provided no evidence of any of those control and serial numbers to have been entered into the master book as required by law.

Which part of the testimony do you not understand?

Mr. BELIN. Do you have any master control ledger or book of any kind that has these control numbers on them?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes. One copy is sent to what we call the booking department, and those are put into a master book, control book.
Mr. BELIN. Are you required by law to keep records of serial numbers of guns?
Mr. SCIBOR. Yes.

What difference does it make if they were put into a master book or not? Waldman Exhibit #4 itself is a record that Klein's kept of the serial numbers of the rifles.

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Re: Free Book Now Available -- Hasty Judgment: Why the JFK Case Is Not Closed
« Reply #205 on: August 06, 2020, 07:49:50 AM »
Because that was the alleged purpose of producing the the original to Waldman 4. 

So how would you verify its authenticity without consulting the master book?

What?  The alleged purpose of producing the original to Waldman 4? What are you talking about?

How would consulting the masterbook verify its authenticity? The master book would just be a duplication of the record of Waldman #4.

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Re: Free Book Now Available -- Hasty Judgment: Why the JFK Case Is Not Closed
« Reply #206 on: August 06, 2020, 03:37:25 PM »
What?  The alleged purpose of producing the original to Waldman 4? What are you talking about?

How would consulting the masterbook verify its authenticity? The master book would just be a duplication of the record of Waldman #4.

Gosh, really?  The fact that it was never entered into the master book/control book suggests that it was not a real item, that it was fabricated and was not an item that went through the normal processing and documentation procedures.

That is why you cannot find any evidence that the money order was ever cashed. That is why there is no evidence that it was processed by the bank or by the Federal Reserve System.

That is why the money order was bought by someone else, while Oswald was at work at Jaggars-Stovall.

Etc., etc., etc.

And, by the way, regarding your claim about the timing of and reasons for the SBT's creation, you might want to read historian Dr. Gerald McKnight's chapter on this in his book Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why (University Press of Kansas, 2005). It is chapter 8.
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Re: Free Book Now Available -- Hasty Judgment: Why the JFK Case Is Not Closed
« Reply #207 on: August 06, 2020, 10:33:40 PM »
Gosh, really?  The fact that it was never entered into the master book/control book suggests that it was not a real item, that it was fabricated and was not an item that went through the normal processing and documentation procedures.

How do you know that it was never entered into the master book? Scibor said it was. Waldman #4 alone establishes that it was a real item. Waldman #7 would also suffice as a standalone in establishing that it was a real item.

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That is why you cannot find any evidence that the money order was ever cashed. That is why there is no evidence that it was processed by the bank or by the Federal Reserve System.

The File Locator Number proves that the money order was cashed and processed by the Federal Reserve system.







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That is why the money order was bought by someone else, while Oswald was at work at Jaggars-Stovall.

The money order was bought by Oswald. He snuck away from work and then lied on his timesheet.

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And, by the way, regarding your claim about the timing of and reasons for the SBT's creation, you might want to read historian Dr. Gerald McKnight's chapter on this in his book Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why (University Press of Kansas, 2005). It is chapter 8.[/size]

Not interested. The SBT was realized no later than April of 1964.

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