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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2020, 02:51:14 AM »
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Offline Gary Craig

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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2020, 02:51:38 AM »
JFK and John Connally are shot through with the same bullet in Z224. However, the injuries to Connally's wrist and leg are caused by fragments of bullets from JFK's headshot(s), as is the damage to the interior of the limousine.

Bullets travel faster than the speed of sound, at least a rifle bullet from a 6.5 Carcano.

If you're shot by one you will not hear the report from the rifle.

You'll be reacting to the impact before the sound of it firing reaches you.

Connally heard and reacted to the sound of the bullet that hit JFK in the back.

His wife Nellie heard the shot and observed JFK's reaction to being hit.

She then heard the shot that hit her husband.

JBC didn't hear the report from the rifle blast that hit him but did feel the impact.

Offline Dan O'meara

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2020, 03:02:18 AM »
The Z-film doesn't lie.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2020, 03:19:02 AM »
JFK and John Connally are shot through with the same bullet in Z224. However, the injuries to Connally's wrist and leg are caused by fragments of bullets from JFK's headshot(s), as is the damage to the interior of the limousine.

How did those fragments get past Connally's torso and whatever happened to them? The size of the wounds rule out them being caused by small fragments. What happened to the bullet that entered his back and exited his chest?

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2020, 03:23:46 AM »
The Z-film doesn't lie.

from
"The xxxxxx Bullet"
by Raymond Marcus
1966

~snip~




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Offline Gary Craig

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2020, 03:38:09 AM »
quote author=Martin Hinrichs

"What we see here is in my eyes clearly the impact-moment of the shot which hits Kennedy in his back."



"Credit Giuseppe Sabatino"

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Offline Dan O'meara

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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2020, 03:55:53 AM »
How did those fragments get past Connally's torso and whatever happened to them? The size of the wounds rule out them being caused by small fragments. What happened to the bullet that entered his back and exited his chest?
1) I'm not sure what you mean, "how did the fragments get past Connally's torso". When JFK is shot in the head Connally is lying directly in front of him with the back of his wrist 
    directly exposed to the blast only inches away.
2) What do you mean small fragments? Small enough to penetrate a windscreen twice as far away? Small enough to dent the metal strip equally as far away? How small? Why
    do they have to be small fragments? The fragment that shattered his wrist would have to be a decent size.
3) The bullet that entered his back and exited his chest is the magic bullet. It just didn't cause the wrist or leg injury.

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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2020, 04:02:59 AM »
1) I'm not sure what you mean, "how did the fragments get past Connally's torso". When JFK is shot in the head Connally is lying directly in front of him with the back of his wrist 
    directly exposed to the blast only inches away.
2) What do you mean small fragments? Small enough to penetrate a windscreen twice as far away? Small enough to dent the metal strip equally as far away? How small? Why
    do they have to be small fragments? The fragment that shattered his wrist would have to be a decent size.
3) The bullet that entered his back and exited his chest is the magic bullet. It just didn't cause the wrist or leg injury.

1) Connally's wrist is not exposed to being hit at the time of the head shot.
2) CE 567 AND CE 569 are not small fragments. Those were the only two sizable fragments recovered in the limo. One struck the windshield. The other struck the chrome piece. Whatever happened to the two large fragments that you are arguing for?
3) What happened to the bullet that entered his back and exited his chest? Where did it go after exiting his chest?

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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2020, 04:02:59 AM »