Dr. David Mantik and “Back to the Left”

[Gary Craig]

Yes, but Haggis says nothing about being hit with great force. He says something solid hit him. It could have been a big block of concrete. Or a tiny speck of concrete. Or a large piece of bone. Or a tiny piece of bone.

But we know we was not hit with great force. He was not knocked off his motorcycle. He was not wounded. And he never says he was hit with great force.

But CTers always describe him as being hit with great force because this clearly false statement helps their case.

"Then I felt something hit me. It could have been concrete or something, but I thought at first I might have been hit."

He heard gunfire, was splattered with blood, then felt something hit hard enough to think he may have been struck by one of the rifle

shots he was hearing.

"But CTers always describe him as being hit with great force because this clearly false statement helps their case."

Actually LNers are always trying to deflect the reality of blood and bone, from the impact of a bullet on JFK's skull, being blown behind and   

to the left of the Limo. An impossibility if the bullet was fired from the right rear 264ft behind and 60ft above the point of impact..

[Joe Elliott]

"Then I felt something hit me. It could have been concrete or something, but I thought at first I might have been hit."

He heard gunfire, was splattered with blood, then felt something hit hard enough to think he may have been struck by one of the rifle

shots he was hearing.

It is natural, when under fire, and you feel something touch you, your first thought is going to be, “Am I hit?”.

Not all wounds cause great pain. Some men have been wounded, did not realize it, and end up bleeding to death in a minute or two.

There is no evidence that Hargis actually was hit with great force. If he was hit be something that delivered great force, it was totally invisible in the Zapruder film. And the only thing that could hit him with great force and be invisible would be a high-speed bullet. But he was not wounded at all.

Just go ahead and google “I thought I was hit” to see how common it is to be under gunfire, and think you’ve been hit, but weren’t.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Yes, but Haggis says nothing about being hit with great force. He says something solid hit him. It could have been a big block of concrete. Or a tiny speck of concrete. Or a large piece of bone. Or a tiny piece of bone.

But we know we was not hit with great force. He was not knocked off his motorcycle. He was not wounded. And he never says he was hit with great force.

But CTers always describe him as being hit with great force because this clearly false statement helps their case.

His name was Hargis, not Haggis. And Hargis said the particulate matter blown toward him hit him with such force that he thought he himself had been hit.

[Gary Craig]

It is natural, when under fire, and you feel something touch you, your first thought is going to be, “Am I hit?”.

Not all wounds cause great pain. Some men have been wounded, did not realize it, and end up bleeding to death in a minute or two.

There is no evidence that Hargis actually was hit with great force. If he was hit be something that delivered great force, it was totally invisible in the Zapruder film. And the only thing that could hit him with great force and be invisible would be a high-speed bullet. But he was not wounded at all.

Just go ahead and google “I thought I was hit” to see how common it is to be under gunfire, and think you’ve been hit, but weren’t.

Actually LNers are always trying to deflect the reality of blood and bone, from the impact of a bullet on JFK's skull, being blown behind and   

to the left of the Limo. An impossibility if the bullet was fired from the right rear 264ft behind and 60ft above the point of impact, as the WC

claimed.

[Joe Elliott]

Actually LNers are always trying to deflect the reality of blood and bone, from the impact of a bullet on JFK's skull, being blown behind and   

to the left of the Limo. An impossibility if the bullet was fired from the right rear 264ft behind and 60ft above the point of impact, as the WC

claimed.

Then why don’t we see any of this in the Zapruder film?

Why don’t see any of these large bones flying backwards. We see some flying forward, but none flying backwards?

Why don’t we see the large piece of bone that hit Hargis “with such force”?

Why don’t we see the large portion of the brain or bone that Jackie went back onto the trunk of the limousine to retrieve?

And why is this impossible with the head wind of 10 to 15 mph and the limousine and motorcycle officers driving forward at 8 mph?

[Joe Elliott]

His name was Hargis, not Haggis. And Hargis said the particulate matter blown toward him hit him with such force that he thought he himself had been hit.

Do a google search of: "i thought i was hit" bullet

I got 302,000 results

 In the first two pages of results, I found the following 9 cases:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1999-01-09-9901090122-story.html

https://www.facebook.com/erinlischnews/videos/road-rage-incident-turns-violent-in-indy/2022318288070266/

https://porfidolaw.com/publications/boonton-officers-forgive-though-they-will-not-forget/

https://www.wsmv.com/news/survivor-shares-new-details-about-waffle-house-shooting/article_4afa1217-0e06-535d-b7b2-2094884968eb.html

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/winter-haven-neighbors-nervous-after-drive-by/67-300237006

https://aadl.org/node/391489

https://aadl.org/node/391489

http://obc.cclibraries.com/index.php/home/list-of-burials/61-community/686-samuel-c-tinney

http://memory.loc.gov/diglib/vhp/story/loc.natlib.afc2001001.00337/transcript?ID=sr0001



where the phrase I was searching for, indicated a story about someone under gunfire, who thought he was wounded, but was not. At this rate, I could have found 140,000 such stories.

Many of these people were not hit by anything, let alone “hit with such force”.

Yes, some of the 300,000 stories were about people who thought they were hit in one place, but where really hit somewhere else. But in about half the cases, of the stories referred to people who thought they were shot, but were not. I checked the first 19 stories and found that 9 of the 19 indicated such a story. At that rate, over 140,000 stories would have been people who thought they were hit by a bullet but were not.

And in stories where people talk about mistakenly believing they were shot while under gunfire, probably don’t always use the exact phrase "I thought I was hit". It might be “I thought I was wounded”. Or, “I thought I got hit”. Or “it seemed like I was wounded right then, but I wasn’t”. I probably only found the tip of the iceberg.


So, a witness who testifies “I thought I was hit” while under fire, does not mean that they were hit with great force. It doesn’t even mean they were hit by anything. Although in Hargis’s case, I believe a small piece of bone was found on his face, if memory serves me correctly. Too small to be seen in the Zapruder film but large enough to be felt and seen by someone standing near him.

[Gary Craig]

Do a google search of: "i thought i was hit" bullet

I got 302,000 results

 In the first two pages of results, I found the following 9 cases:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1999-01-09-9901090122-story.html

https://www.facebook.com/erinlischnews/videos/road-rage-incident-turns-violent-in-indy/2022318288070266/

https://porfidolaw.com/publications/boonton-officers-forgive-though-they-will-not-forget/

https://www.wsmv.com/news/survivor-shares-new-details-about-waffle-house-shooting/article_4afa1217-0e06-535d-b7b2-2094884968eb.html

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/winter-haven-neighbors-nervous-after-drive-by/67-300237006

https://aadl.org/node/391489

https://aadl.org/node/391489

http://obc.cclibraries.com/index.php/home/list-of-burials/61-community/686-samuel-c-tinney

http://memory.loc.gov/diglib/vhp/story/loc.natlib.afc2001001.00337/transcript?ID=sr0001



where the phrase I was searching for, indicated a story about someone under gunfire, who thought he was wounded, but was not. At this rate, I could have found 140,000 such stories.

Many of these people were not hit by anything, let alone “hit with such force”.

Yes, some of the 300,000 stories were about people who thought they were hit in one place, but where really hit somewhere else. But in about half the cases, of the stories referred to people who thought they were shot, but were not. I checked the first 19 stories and found that 9 of the 19 indicated such a story. At that rate, over 140,000 stories would have been people who thought they were hit by a bullet but were not.

And in stories where people talk about mistakenly believing they were shot while under gunfire, probably don’t always use the exact phrase "I thought I was hit". It might be “I thought I was wounded”. Or, “I thought I got hit”. Or “it seemed like I was wounded right then, but I wasn’t”. I probably only found the tip of the iceberg.


So, a witness who testifies “I thought I was hit” while under fire, does not mean that they were hit with great force. It doesn’t even mean they were hit by anything. Although in Hargis’s case, I believe a small piece of bone was found on his face, if memory serves me correctly. Too small to be seen in the Zapruder film but large enough to be felt and seen by someone standing near him.

So what is your point?

We have Hargis's contemporaneous statement.

He was to the rear and left of the Limo at Z312 - 313.

He was splattered with debris from the head shot with enough force to initially make him think he may have been struck by one of the rifle shots he was hearing.

[Joe Elliott]

So what is your point?

We have Hargis's contemporaneous statement.

He was to the rear and left of the Limo at Z312 - 313.

He was splattered with debris from the head shot with enough force to initially make him think he may have been struck by one of the rifle shots he was hearing.

What’s my point? That is common for people under gunfire, to initially think that they were hit, even though they were not. So, it does not require one to be hit with great force to make one think that one has been wounded. Or even to be hit by anything at all.

So, we have no evidence that Officer Hargis was struck with great force. And much evidence that he wasn’t. He wasn’t knocked off his motorcycle. He wasn’t wounded. From the Nix film, he continued riding right behind the limousine until several seconds after the head shot, when he and another officer stopped their motorcycles about the time Clint Hill reached the back of the limousine.

Drove through a bloody mist that was blown back on him? Yes. We have evidence of that. Hit with great force? No.

In the Nix film, stop at 0:28. Clint Hill has reached the limousine, and only then does Officer Hargis and another officer start to slow down and stop, two and half to three seconds after the headshot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU4mAVCprAU&list=PL0O5WNzrZqINVGfqd-M73A_czSbI__hat&index=4&t=0s