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Offline Michael Carney

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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #264 on: August 16, 2020, 08:48:50 PM »
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Since this thread is called “JFK’s Head Snap and the implausible jet effect…… I thought I would focus on that.

Dr Luis Alvarez, Nobel Prize winner in physics in 1968, did an experiment with a watermelon. Please go to this site http://www.jfklancer.com/galanor/jet_effect.html and look at the pictures of the watermelon when hit by a frangible round. I know, a head is not a watermelon but they are similar, hard on the outside and soft on the inside. Click on the pictures to enlarge for better viewing. So what happened to the watermelon, the front of it exploded similar to JFK and it was thrown backwards in the direction of where the shot originated.

Now remember in the motion picture “JFK”, Kevin Costner kept repeating when explaining JFK’s head movement “back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left”.

Now if you consider Dr. Luis Alvarez's melon experiment the movement of the watermelon went directly back towards where the shot came from. So By following JFK’s head movement you can tell in which direction the shot came from, “back and to the left”. And who was back and to the left with gun that fires a frangible round, Hickey.

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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #265 on: August 17, 2020, 05:39:24 AM »
Since this thread is called “JFK’s Head Snap and the implausible jet effect…… I thought I would focus on that.

Dr Luis Alvarez, Nobel Prize winner in physics in 1968, did an experiment with a watermelon. Please go to this site http://www.jfklancer.com/galanor/jet_effect.html and look at the pictures of the watermelon when hit by a frangible round. I know, a head is not a watermelon but they are similar, hard on the outside and soft on the inside. Click on the pictures to enlarge for better viewing. So what happened to the watermelon, the front of it exploded similar to JFK and it was thrown backwards in the direction of where the shot originated.

Now remember in the motion picture “JFK”, Kevin Costner kept repeating when explaining JFK’s head movement “back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left”.

Now if you consider Dr. Luis Alvarez's melon experiment the movement of the watermelon went directly back towards where the shot came from. So By following JFK’s head movement you can tell in which direction the shot came from, “back and to the left”. And who was back and to the left with gun that fires a frangible round, Hickey.

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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #266 on: August 17, 2020, 08:46:21 AM »
Bill, physics is physics, can't argue that.

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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #266 on: August 17, 2020, 08:46:21 AM »


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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #267 on: August 17, 2020, 03:02:53 PM »
Bill, physics is physics, can't argue that.

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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #268 on: August 17, 2020, 08:14:24 PM »
Yes a sense of humor is wonderful and that was one of my favorite skits from the Seinfeld show.
Let me know what you think about my theory, it's kinda all quiet on the western front.

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« Reply #269 on: August 18, 2020, 03:24:49 AM »
I didn’t see the “illus 26 above” in your posting, but I have seen the .223 round go through the gelatin block and similar things happen. I don’t know what sets off the explosive action but I do know it travels for some distance and then explodes.
It’s not so much that it is a “carcano” round, it’s that it is a metal jacked bullet designed to go through more than one soldier on the battle field. One time my brother and I were out shooting and we had an old army masser WWII vintage, not sure where it was from but it had metal jacked bullets in it. I fired at some sort of animal feed bin and the bullet went through the first 2X6 wood piece and when it went through the second wood rail, it went through it sideways, they were about 5 feet apart. So in the first piece of wood there was just a round hole in it and in the second one you could see the side profile of the bullet. No evidence of it coming apart.
I will look in McLarens book and see if there is a moment where McLaren or Donohue realize that they don’t have an acceptable representative experiment, no hard shell.
I haven’t seen anything about the 6.5 going through a skull but McLaren did do the watermelon test with both types of bullets. The frangible round, .223 acted exactly as in Dr Alvarez’s experiment, small entry hole and an explosion in the exit area.  The 6.5 had a small entry hole and the exit hole was a little larger with some outward cracks around it. It was in “JFK – The Smoking Gun” documentary. Again a watermelon is not a human skull but it does give us a very good idea of what is happening.

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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #270 on: August 18, 2020, 04:07:55 AM »
I didn’t see the “illus 26 above” in your posting, but I have seen the .223 round go through the gelatin block and similar things happen. I don’t know what sets off the explosive action but I do know it travels for some distance and then explodes.
It’s not so much that it is a “carcano” round, it’s that it is a metal jacked bullet designed to go through more than one soldier on the battle field. One time my brother and I were out shooting and we had an old army masser WWII vintage, not sure where it was from but it had metal jacked bullets in it. I fired at some sort of animal feed bin and the bullet went through the first 2X6 wood piece and when it went through the second wood rail, it went through it sideways, they were about 5 feet apart. So in the first piece of wood there was just a round hole in it and in the second one you could see the side profile of the bullet. No evidence of it coming apart.
I will look in McLarens book and see if there is a moment where McLaren or Donohue realize that they don’t have an acceptable representative experiment, no hard shell.
I haven’t seen anything about the 6.5 going through a skull but McLaren did do the watermelon test with both types of bullets. The frangible round, .223 acted exactly as in Dr Alvarez’s experiment, small entry hole and an explosion in the exit area.  The 6.5 had a small entry hole and the exit hole was a little larger with some outward cracks around it. It was in “JFK – The Smoking Gun” documentary. Again a watermelon is not a human skull but it does give us a very good idea of what is happening.

FMJ ammo was designed to pass through-and-through a body, not necessarily to score a twofer but for humanitarian reasons.


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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #271 on: August 18, 2020, 09:45:17 PM »
 Bill that’s what I was told but regardless, if the bullet were to go through two soldiers it would take 4 more soldiers off the field to get them back to the medics.
Jerry, I will look for the “illus 26”.
Yes they can be considered “soft tissue” tests but because of the similarity of a watermelon to a human head you see similar results. The bullet travels about half way through the object and explodes. The bullet has it’s own momentum and was moving at 3,000 ft/sec so it keeps traveling until it explodes.
I haven’t studied the Connelly wounding but because he was hit by a “tumbling” bullet it had to have hit something previously to upset it. Because of this the single bullet theory makes sense. Several people have lined the bullets path by showing Connelly sitting in a lower jump seat and seated a little to the left of JFK.
Once you figure in a shot from the grassy knoll, whether the “single bullet theory” is correct or not, you have established two shooters. The big question is who paid them or told them to do it.

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Re: JFK's Head Snap and the Implausible Jet-Effect and Neurospasm Theories
« Reply #271 on: August 18, 2020, 09:45:17 PM »