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Re: JFK vs Trump
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JFK was a decorated WWII combat veteran.

He used his family's influence to get assigned to the PT Boat in the Pacific war zone.

His older brother Joe was killed in Europe. He volunteered for a dangerous mission over Europe.

The plane he was flying blew up killing all on board.

Gary, look a little deeper. Joe Jr. died as a result of a top secret, remote television camera piloted "drone bomber" project. It is possible, although the odds are intensely slim, that Hugh Downs, despite a career in broadcast journalism that lasted from 1945 until he retired at age 79, just did not know who his wife's brother, John Shaheen, really was?
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The CIA enlisted Oswald to feign defection to the Soviet Union.

A CIA document titled “Excerpts From Unpublished Writings of Lee Harvey Oswald” quotes Oswald as having written, “When I first went to Russia in the winter of 1959 my funds were very limited, so after a certain time, after the Russians had assured themselves that I was really the naive American who believed in Communism, they arranged for me to receive a certain amount of money every month . . . . It was arranged by the MVD [Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs] . . . . It really was payment for my denunciation of the US in Moscow in November 1959.”

A CIA memo makes reference to Oswald’s writings and states, “In his writings, Oswald is highly critical of Soviet rigged elections, the massing of crowds for staged demonstrations, travel restrictions, regimentation, and the lack of freedom of press, speech, and religion.”

Oswald’s Marine Corps record shows that on February 25, 1959, he was tested on his Russian language “comprehension” skills, including his ability to “understand” Russian, his ability to “read” Russian, and his ability to “write” in Russian.

Fifteen days after arriving in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Oswald went to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow and claimed that he was renouncing his American citizenship, stating afterward, “I will never return to the United States for any reason.”

The Embassy reported that Oswald “was aggressive, arrogant, and uncooperative,” and in response to his alleged desire to renounce his citizenship, the Embassy “advised Oswald by mail of his right to renounce citizenship, such renunciation in manner prescribed by law being valid, and that he might appear on any normal business day and request documents be prepared.”

According to the State Department officer who dealt with Oswald during the phony attempt to renounce citizenship, Oswald appeared to have been “tutored in connection with his apparent attempts to renounce his American citizenship,” and Oswald’s trip to the Soviet Union was suspiciously a “competently arranged trip.”

The State Department officer also reported, “Oswald evidently knew something of the procedure for renunciation of citizenship when he came into the office. This seemed a bit unusual since it was so soon after his first departure from the United States on his first trip abroad traveling as a private citizen.”

The Warren Commission told CIA officials in March 1964, “The letters Lee Oswald wrote to the American Embassy in Moscow while he was trying to get permission for himself and his wife Marina to return to the United States might have been ‘coached.’”

A Warren Commission staff member told the CIA officials that “these letters reflected a higher degree of sophistication and knowledge of passport procedures than would be expected of a man of Lee Harvey Oswald’s known character.”

The FBI documented that an Associated Press reporter spoke with Oswald at his hotel soon after his claim that he wanted to “relinquish his United States citizenship and remain in Russia.” The reporter “engaged him in a conversation” and “asked Oswald why he was going to remain in Russia.”

The FBI report states, “Oswald replied, ‘I’ve got my reasons,’ but did not elucidate.”

Five days after returning from the Soviet Union, Oswald had Pauline Bates, a stenographer in Fort Worth, Texas, type up notes that he made while in Russia. Bates testified to the Warren Commission that the notes, both typed and handwritten, were in Russian and that Oswald spent three days translating them for her. She also stated that she was “anxious to get on it” because she was very interested in the fact that Oswald “had just come back from Russia and had notes.”

She told the Warren Commission, “I started asking him some questions – ‘Why did you go to Russia?’ - and a few things like that. Some of them he’d answer and some of them he wouldn’t . . . . He wasn’t very talkative. And whenever I did get him to talk, I had to drag it out of him. He didn’t talk voluntarily.”

The information that Pauline Bates “dragged” out of Oswald included the fact that he would “scribble notes” while in Russia “whenever he could” and then “surreptitiously” type them when “Marina would cover for him . . . muffle the tone of the typewriter and everything . . . . He said she would cover or watch for him so that nobody would know that he was making them . . . try to steer anybody away while he was doing this, because he could have got in trouble.”

She testified that the notes were “about the living conditions and the working conditions in Russia. And they were very bitter against Russia . . . . It was the terrible living conditions and the terrible working conditions . . . . The notes were very, very bitter about Russia.

“He smuggled them out of Russia. And he said that the whole time until they got over the border, they were scared to death they would be found, and, of course, they would not be allowed to leave Russia.”

Oswald also told Pauline Bates that while he was in the Marine Corps, he “had taken elementary Russian - a course in elementary Russian.” As noted earlier, six and a half months before he left on a “passenger-carrying freighter” with the Soviet Union as his ultimate destination, the Marines tested Oswald on his ability to understand Russian, read Russian, and write in Russian.

The FBI reported that when they interviewed Oswald on June 26, 1962, thirteen days after he returned to the United States, “Oswald declined to answer the question as to why he made the trip to Russia in the first place” and stated he “would not be willing to take a polygraph test.”

Oswald was put on the CIA’s Counterintelligence “Watch List” on November 9, 1959, nine days after he told U.S. embassy officials that he was renouncing his American citizenship and would “never return to the United States for any reason.”

The card with Oswald’s name on it simply states, “Recent defector to the USSR, Former Marine,” but it is also stamped “Secret: Eyes Only,” which means it was of the highest restriction when it comes to who sees it, and anyone who sees it knows they are not supposed to ask any questions about Lee Harvey Oswald.

To repeat, the CIA enlisted Oswald to feign defection to the Soviet Union. The idea that he was in Mexico trying to get a visa for travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union was completely manufactured in order to link Khrushchev and Castro to the assassination. LBJ would then fear a nuclear war and establish the Warren Commission with a “no conspiracy” mandate.

It’s all in my book. Click the link.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V9JT65Y

You're stirring up trouble again, Tom......... delicious !!!

Anthony, are you opening "that door," all the way?

How does Robert E. Webster fit in with what you've concluded about Oswald's "guided" Soviet relations?

It seems that every time the following string of "coincidences" is interrupted by events like JFK's defeat of Nixon, Carter's defeat of Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton's defeat of GHW Bush, Obama's defeat of McCain, and Biden's "steal" of Trump's "throne," the reaction of the important people in what once was, "the conservative party" is hyperbolic out of all proportion to the "offense"... being defeated in a democratic election.

Let us review...

This "round" so far, is "the big lie" the January 6, insurrection, followed by...

Maricopa County will need new voting machines after GOP's ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/maricopa-county-will-need-new-voting-machines-after-gop-s-n1268090
Contractors with Cyber Ninjas in Phoenix examine and recount ballots cast in the 2020 general election in Maricopa County on May 6. ... the chain of custody over the equipment when it was handed ...

...and
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https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Conservative-group-boasts-of-secret-role-in-16177519.php
Conservative group boasts of secret role in voting laws
NICHOLAS RICCARDI and ANTHONY IZAGUIRRE, Associated Press
May 14, 2021
The head of a national conservative group told supporters it secretly helped draft legislation in Republican-controlled statehouses across the country as part of a coordinated network of organizations pushing to tighten voting laws across the country.

Jessica Anderson, executive director of Heritage Action, made the claim during a recent meeting with supporters in Arizona...

“In some cases, we actually draft them for them,” Anderson said of legislation written for state lawmakers. “Or we have a sentinel on our behalf give them the model legislation, so it has that grassroots, from-the-bottom-up type of vibe.”

Anderson's comments shed additional light on precisely how well-funded national organizations have seized on false claims about the 2020 election to try to tighten state voting laws. .
...Heritage Action is one of several Republican-affiliated groups that jumped into elections issues for the first time after former President Donald Trump’s false claims about election fraud led to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. The lies also have fanned deep suspicions about the integrity of the country’s voting systems among GOP activists and donors — Anderson noted Heritage activists cited it as a top issue in a survey — and led to new laws in Georgia, Florida, Iowa, Kansas and other states.
.. Republicans argue the tougher rules will guard against fraud and are needed to restore trust in the election system. On Friday, the liberal group End Citizens United released a report that tallied up more than $42 million that conservative groups have pledged to spend on election laws, including Heritage's $24 million budget...
...Heritage Action announced its effort in March, saying it would push legislation in eight battleground states based on model principles formulated by its parent organization, the conservative Heritage Foundation. Hans von Spakovsky, the foundation's top voting expert and a former member of Trump's 2017 election fraud commission, appeared at the event with Anderson and boasted of regularly talking with Republican secretaries of state. Anderson added that Heritage Action had just had a “huge” call with secretaries of state, who often serve as a state's chief elections official....


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Heritage Action - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_Action
Jessica Anderson has led the organization since 2020. Jessica Anderson first joined Heritage Action in 2010 and served as grassroots director, but left in 2017 to serve in the Office of Management and Budget in the Trump Administration. She returned to Heritage Action as vice president in 2018 before being named executive director in 2020...

So, here is what I think needs to be considered. Before there was Oswald, there was Robert E. Webster ...

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Video_Clips_-_George_Michael_Evica.html?search=marina%20and%20webster

George Michael Evica, 2006..."Well I'm sorry, that's not Lee Harvey Oswald, that's Robert Webster. So she has confused two men similar, but not identical. Then we have to ask why does she have the information about Webster in writing, in her possession, and why she mistakes, if that's what happened, mistakes Webster for her husband, Oswald. Oswald, when he is exiting the Soviet Union, asks about Webster. The kind of thing you might say about uhh
Tom...I know that Tom is in Dallas, will he be leaving Dallas in the next week, or two, or next month? And they say, oh Tom, yes, he's still here. So we establish, through this interaction of no consequence that Lee knows about Webster, and knows enough about him to suggest that they might even know one another. That tells us again that there is something very interesting operating here, probably out of the American embassy, probably with people like a name that is not unfamiliar..Mr. Snyder, CIA, who may indeed, I think, may have been running at least two, if not four or five people who came over, approximately at the same time, and all of whom were dangles, inside of the false identity illegals program. Those people were approached, I am certain, by military intelligence in the Soviet Union, by the KGB, and in the case of Oswald, so suspect they were given very nice apartments and an income. So the Webster story takes us again into the larger framework, of American intelligence, illegals, and false identity cases, and the omnipresence of the dangle."


The continuity of coincidences begins with Ronald Reagan and John Shaheen both arriving on earth a couple of years apart, in an obscure Illinois town, Tampico, of less than 800 residents.

It ends, for now, with,

Opinion | Bill Barr's Junk Justice - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/opinion/the-argument-flynn-barr-coronavirus.html
May 14, 2020This is somebody that the conservative New York Times columnist William Safire called "cover-up" General Barr when he served in George H.W. Bush's administration. ... I've been an Op-Ed ...

ON LANGUAGE; This Ol' House - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/13/magazine/on-language-this-ol-house.html
Dec 13, 1992By William Safire. Dec. 13, 1992; Credit... The New York Times Archives. See the article in its original context from December 13, ... derided as the Cover-Up General by the Iraqgate implacables ...
Opinion | Essay; Cover-Up Triumphs - The New York Times
[Search domain nytimes.com] https://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/20/opinion/essay-cover-up-triumphs.html
Feb 20, 1995The New York Times Archives. ... In Florida, President Bush hailed the latest 119-page whitewash as final refutation of Iraqgate charges by "Safire, Koppel, The Los Angeles Times and the national ...

Opinion | Essay; The Patsy Prosecutor - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/19/opinion/essay-the-patsy-prosecutor.html
Oct 19, 1992 By William Safire. Oct. 19, 1992; Credit... The New York Times Archives. See the article in its original context from October 19, 1992, Section A, Page 17 Buy Reprints. View on timesmachine.
"In a last-ditch maneuver to block an independent investigation into Iraqgate, Attorney General William Barr has hired a so-called "special" counsel. But the man lending his good reputation to this subterfuge can be fired by the very Attorney General he is supposed to investigate...."

(This time, it was John Durham...)

Bill Barr: The "Cover-Up General" | The Village Voice
https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/04/18/attorney-general-william-barr-is-the-best-reason-to-vote-for-clinton/
So fast has Barr's star dimmed in recent months that even conservative pundits like The New York Times's William Safire have taken to calling him the "Cover-Up General." But so poorly ...

Cover-up Attorney General Bill Barr strikes again | Salon.com
https://www.salon.com/2019/03/26/cover-up-attorney-general-bill-barr-strikes-again_partner/
Mar 26, 2019 Back in 1992, the last time Bill Barr was U.S. attorney general, iconic New York Times writer William Safire referred to him as "Coverup-General Barr" because of his role in burying evidence ...

So, if GW Bush had not been elected, (if he was, in 2000..) Robert Gates would not have been reintroduced into service. I understand why Obama kept Gates on, besides that it has been a traditional, bipartisan gesture only extended ny democrats... to complete the exit agreement with Iraq, but not for as long as Gates remained.

William Safire had been a Nixon speech writer and a friend of William Casey, but at some point, he grew weary of being lied to.

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TEN MYTHS ABOUT THE REAGAN DEBACLE - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/22/magazine/ten-myths-about-the-reagan-debacle.html
Mar 22, 1987 by William Safire
"..This hardening myth has strong roots. William J. Casey, former Director of Central Intelligence, admitted in writing that the ''opening'' would be the rationale for the ransom if discovered; the President admitted recently that this had all the appearance, despite his best intentions, of an arms-for-hostages swap; the Israeli contact, Amiram Nir, made plain to Vice President George Bush that we were dealing with radicals in Teheran. So how can anyone cling to that nonsense about helping ''moderate'' elements in Teheran?

You had to be there, say the men who were there, to understand. The way it ended was not how it began, nor was degeneration built in. The intellectual godfather was Donald R. Fortier, an authentic strategist out of the University of Chicago. (He died of cancer in August 1986, in the midst of the arms dealings, after thinking for weeks he had hepatitis.) Fortier's views were buttressed by Graham Fuller, a respected C.I.A. analyst. To this day, few of the President's derogators deride the idea of probing Iran to see what might be done after the 86-year-old Ayatollah dies. That country is not monolithic; the potential existence of ''moderates'' may be a naive belief, but in the wild melee to come it would be good to have a few of what the C.I.A. calls ''assets.''

Early along the way, the subject of ''establishing bona fides'' came up. To the Iranians, it meant weapons to win their war; to us, it meant getting our hostages back. Quickly, the tail began to wag the dog, but in the President's mind, the compassionate urge he felt to retrieve our citizens could be explained as part of his overall initiative. He never admitted to himself that the immediate goal overwhelmed the ultimate goal.

Why didn't he just say, then, after the story leaked, that he was trying to get our people out and it had failed and he was sorry? Because, while it may have been the objective truth, it was not the truth in his mind. The President still clung to the strategic rationale he wanted to buy from Fortier, Fuller and McFarlane, supported by Casey, Bush and Don Regan. Call it stubbornness, but Ronald Reagan did not get where he is without an innate obstinacy. MYTH 4: We should have known that the Iranians would leak this to humiliate us....

Graham Fuller showed up again, thirty years later...
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Graham_E._Fuller
"Fuller has admitted that his daughter was previously married to an uncle of the suspects in the Boston Marathon attacks, and that they "lived in our house in [Maryland] for a year or so", but he insists that stories on the Internet implying “possible connections between Ruslan and the Agency through me are absurd”.[5].."

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: JFK vs Trump
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Continued from my last post...

Note the mentions of John Shaheen in the following reporting of the late William Safire, a longtime friend of DCI William Casey whose relations with Casey became strained after Casey's first cancer diagnosis...

Shaheen, center of article, both columns.:

Eldon Rudd, LOL !



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http://archive.org/stream/reportofcongress11unit/reportofcongress11unit_djvu.txt
Report of the congressional committees investigating the Iran- Contra Affair :....
Washington, D. C. Wednesday, July 22, 1987 Deposition of ROY FURMARK, called for examination at the offices of the Senate Select Committee, Suite 901, the Hart Senate Office Building, at 10:00 a.m.
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AFTERNOON SESSION (1:00 p.m.) Whereupon, ROY FURMARK resiimed the stand and, having been previously duly sworn, was examined and testified further as follows: EXAMINATION (Continued) BY MR. KERR:
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4 Q Let's shift gears a little bit. In terms of 5 Mr. Shaheen's relationship with William Casey, there was a 6 relationship? A Yes. 8 Q Can you describe what that relationship was? 9 A They were extremely close personal friends.- They 10 were both very much involved in Republican politics. They 11 were very much involved in the William J. Donovan Foundation 12 or the OSS, the Office of Strategic Services, which is an 13 all members who were in that service, and they would meet and I 14 have dinners and present awards out. They presented awards 15 to Thatcher, Willy Mountbatton, the three astronauts that 16 landed on the moon. They presented awards to President 17 Reagan, and so that was a focal point for them to get 18 together, I think, and in addition, they were involved with, 19 you know, doing legal work. He was in his own firm and then 20 he became a counsel to Rogers & Wells, and Jack Wells and 21 John, I think, were great pals as well as Casey, you know, 22 was involved in it, in New York City. Q Was Casey counsel to Shaheen during the time you were employed by Shaheen? A He did special things like when the company got into financial trouble, Newfoundland Refining Company, Casey and Shaheen and I went to Kuwait for about a week or 10 days trying to interest KNPC, Kuwait National Petroleum Company, owned by the government, to become a partner in Newfoundland Refinery, to invest funds to revamp the refinery so that we could use 100 percent Kuwaiti crude. .... He was an advisor when Shaheen had problems, and you know, but that was my longest involvement with Casey on that trip. Q Place that time for me, will you please? A 1975 or 1976, let's say. Q So this would be just before the time that you left? A Yes. Q Coming back, Shaheen had been in OSS at the same time Casey was in OSS and that's how they got to know one another? 2 A Yes . 3 Q Casey thereafter acted as legal counsel for 4 special projects for Shaheen; is that correct? 5 A Basically, yes. 6 Q Did Casey and Shaheen have business relationships 7 together to your knowledge? 8 A To my knowledge, I have never heard of any 9 business relationship. 10 Q So you don't know of any partnerships, joint 11 ventures, joint projects? 12 A No . I don't believe so. Shaheen just never did 13 things like that. 14 Q Shaheen, I believe, from a conversation you and I 15 had sometime ago, you characterized him as being a man who 16 didn't work well with partners?

Robert Gates is made out to be someone who would do what he was told and STFU, which he did, and it cost him US Senate approval as DCI on his first attempt. GW Bush put him in an NSA position not requiring Senate approval, like Gen. Mike Flynn in 2017.
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/22/magazine/ten-myths-about-the-reagan-debacle.html
March 22, 1987 by William Safire








Again, in the right column, DCI Casey calls Safire back, yet again, to persuade him to read the transcript of
the Barbara Walters DISINFO interview transcript!



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At least the U.S. was not fighting a declared war, or this would be treasonous...

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http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile4.html
An intimidating array of individuals and forces wanted President Carter ousted from the White House in 1980. Some were driven by ambition; others by money; and still others by revenge. Together, they were over-powering.

Newly revealed documents, meant to stay hidden from the public, now show the interlocking relationships that operated behind the facade of American democracy: a chilling chapter of the October Surprise X-Files

    October Surprise X-Files (Part 4): The Money Trail

By Robert Parry

'Flying Dutchman'
....
According to a 1984 CIA memo given to the task force, Casey recruited his old World War II spy chum John Shaheen and Iranian banker Cyrus Hashemi in 1979 to sell off property in New York City belonging to the shah's Pahlavi Foundation. At that time, the radical Islamic government in Teheran was claiming that property as its own and the shah's family was desperate for the cash.

The early Casey-Shaheen-Hashemi partnership on this Iranian business deal was important, because in 1980 Hashemi became one of President Carter's principal intermediaries on the hostage crisis and Casey was in charge of Ronald Reagan's campaign. The Casey-Shaheen-Hashemi connection made the October Surprise allegations far more credible.

Though Cyrus Hashemi died in 1986, his older brother, Jamshid, testified under oath before the task force that Cyrus had arranged July 1980 meetings in Madrid where Casey discussed the hostages with a radical Iranian mullah, Mehdi Karrubi. Jamshid's testimony was at the heart of the October Surprise charges that Casey derailed President Carter's hostage talks.

But the House task force cast aside the CIA memo and concluded that there was "no evidence" that Casey had met Cyrus Hashemi before the 1980 election in November. In the public report, the task force briefly mentioned the CIA memo, but deleted the identity of the foundation. The word "Pahlavi" was excised, thus obscuring the significance of the information. ...

Now... why would DCI Casey call William Safire four times on a Sunday to urge him to read the trabscript of a Barbara Walters television interview of two arms dealers originally introduced to John Shaheen's protege, Roy Furmark, by John Shaheen?

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/22/magazine/ten-myths-about-the-reagan-debacle.html


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https://www.tampicohistoricalsociety.com/articles/article/1323792/188936.htm
Downs, Ruth Shaheen
The beloved wife of broadcaster, Hugh Downs, passed away on Tuesday, March 28, 2017, at the age of 95, at their home in Scottsdale, AZ. Her husband was by her side as she peacefully embarked on the "next great adventure," as she referred to Death. Ruth Downs was born in Illinois in the autumn of 1921 to Mike and Sadie Shaheen, who taught their only daughter she could do anything her three brothers could do if she was willing to work for it; and she proved them right throughout her remarkable life. During WWII, Ruth was decorated by Naval Intelligence for her work on an undercover assignment. When she graduated from college, she moved to Chicago and became a radio actress, as well as a director and producer. One of her employees was a young announcer by the name of Hugh Downs. Ruth and Hugh fell in love, married and had two children. Once married, Ruth gave up working outside the home until after the children were raised and grown. Hugh credits her for much of his success, and considered her his equal partner in Life. They were together for 75 years at the time of her passing. ...and to annually bring together her own descendants and those of her beloved brothers John, Raymond, and Richard Shaheen...

https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/status/1278764428398379009

When it looks like "the fix is in" it usually is! Ethics? Disclosure? F**K it!

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https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/03/16/Barbara-Walters-as-secret-messsenger/7000542869200/
March 16, 1987
WASHINGTON -- Veteran ABC correspondent Barbara Walters acted as an agent for secret messages from an Iranian arms merchant to President Reagan shortly after the Iran arms-hostage scandal broke, The Wall Street Journal reported today.

'Arms merchant Manucher Ghorbanifar used television journalist Barbara Walters as a conduit to secretly pass on to President Reagan his views about U.S. arms sales to Iran and related matters,' the newspaper said...

This EVIDENCE of undisclosed conflicts of interests is no longer retrievable, image of my archived post in 2014:



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https://www.legacy.com/news/celebrity-deaths/hugh-downs-1921-2020-former-anchor-of-20-20/
..He may be best known as the anchor for ABC’s late-night TV news show “20/20,” paired with Barbara Walters, who he worked with on the “Today Show.” He was on “20/20” from 1978 until his retirement in 1999.   


Shaheen's best man was H. James Rand.:
https://newspaperarchive.com/sterling-daily-gazette-may-01-1951-p-9/


May 28, 1952 :
The Key West citizen. [volume] (Key West, Fla.) ...
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83016244/1952-05-28/ed-1/seq-3/
Cleveland, Mr. James Rand of Cleveland, Ohio, also and Mr. John Shaheen of New York City. Mr. and Mrs. Link and Mr. and Mrs. Peterson are particularly en thusiastic about Key West and it's absence of Mosquitos. They said it was bard to understand how Key West could be so completely free of Mosquitos and flies by compar ison to the relatively ...



In 1968, Rand Development filed for bankrupcy, the three old OSS hands, Rand, Shaheen, McGaw, were still connected 23 years after the war ended. :


Seattle billionaire Keith McCaw, 49, dies at his home ...
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20021216&slug=mccaw16m
The patriarch, Elroy McCaw, built the family fortune owning radio and later television stations. But the family lost the fortune when Elroy McCaw died of a stroke in 1969, and dozens of claims and lawsuits piled in from creditors. The McCaw estate was declared bankrupt, and the family mansion, yacht and other assets were sold for cash.

A Telephone Visionary Who Is Cutting the Cords for ...
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/15/business/a-telephone-visionary-who-is-cutting-the-cords-for-consumers.html
Nov 15, 1992 By 1983, when it became clear Washington was going to license cellular telephone operators, Craig McCaw and one of his brothers, John Elroy McCaw Jr., began aggressively to buy cellular properties.

If you believe Robert E. Webster just happened to work for these three spooks, just happened to defect, Nixon just happened to show up announced in Moscow in 1965 as "Shaheen's lawyer" and Reagan and Shaheen just happened to be born in an Illinois town, pop. 700+ where Shaheen's father was the grocery store owner, I got a bank to sell you!

She was the shah's twin sister, David Rockefeller, "waited outside in the car"!

Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Deposit_and_Guaranty_Bank
Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank (HKDG) was a bank of Hong Kong established in 1981 which collapsed in 1984 with estimated losses of $100m. Its $20m capital came from Iran's Ashraf Pahlavi.The bank was founded on 22 January 1981 by John Shaheen, and featured on its board "Herminio Disini, known as Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos's personal bag man."
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Re: JFK vs Trump
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William J. Casey was a hardcore cocaine addict and an unwitting KGB puppet. As I state in my book:

“After the 1980 election, the main obstacles to exposing the KGB infiltration were Vice President Bush and a virulently corrupt CIA hierarchy. The corrupt hierarchy included CIA Director William J. Casey, who was addicted to cocaine and was most definitely a renegade CIA officer.

“I first met Casey at the CIA’s Chicago field office in early 1980. He stated he was the “Acting Director” of the CIA and later informed me that he was also Ronald Reagan’s campaign manager. Later that year, he told me that Reagan would be appointing him to be Director of the CIA after the election.

“As I had been looking forward to a new Presidential Administration that was not under KGB control, I tried to clarify with Casey that the KGB infiltration would finally be exposed and come to an end after he became CIA Director. When I directly asked him if he was going to expose the KGB infiltration after becoming CIA Director, his emphatic reply was, ‘No.’

“Shocked by his answer, I asked, ‘Why not?’

“And his exact words were, ‘Because they supply me with my cocaine.’

“As noted in Chapter 4, Casey manipulated Ronald Reagan into choosing his cocaine-addicted CIA colleague, George H. W. Bush, as a Vice Presidential running mate in the 1980 election.

“In 1984, I witnessed President Reagan angrily confront Casey about being manipulated into choosing Bush as a running mate, which happened only after the big push to supposedly ‘draft’ former President Gerald Ford ‘fizzled.’

“Reagan made it clear during the confrontation that Casey had given him every impression that he, Casey, was convinced Ford would accept the number two spot on the ticket. Casey finally admitted that he knew Ford had no intention of being Reagan’s running mate and that everything had been orchestrated to get Reagan to accept CIA officer George H. W. Bush as a running mate at the last minute.”



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Re: JFK vs Trump
« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2021, 02:27:30 AM »
He cut taxes on our companies. He cut huge amounts of burdensome business regulations. He cut taxes on nearly all working Americans, which of course left them with more money to spend in the economy.

No it is not. The Trump tax cuts' largest rate cuts for individual income tax rates went to the middle class:

1st bracket -- No change (since they already paid no income taxes, and Trump increased the Earned Income Tax Credit)
2nd bracket ($20K-$79K) -- 20% reduction (from 15% to 12%)
3rd bracket ($79K-$168K -- 12% reduction (from 25% to 22%)
4th bracket ($168K-$318K) -- 14.2% reduction (from 28% to 24%)
5th bracket ($318-$410K) -- 3.1% reduction (from 33% to 32%)
6th bracket ($410K-$610K) -- No reduction (stayed at 35%)
7th bracket ($610K-plus) -- 6.6% (from 39.6% to 37%)

The tax brackets are readily available online. Anyone can confirm that Trump gave the largest rate cuts to the second, third, and fourth brackets, where the vast majority of middle-income earners fall.

 BS:

Criminal Donald gave billionaires and corporations millions of dollars in tax cuts in which they pay zero dollars in taxes while tripling the national debt and squeezing out the middle class. As a result, it destroyed the economy just like Bush did and allowed manufacturing and the country to slide into a steep recession.

On the issue of JFK vs Trump

JFK was a great man that served his country and wanted the best for America.

Criminal Donald is a draft dodging scumbag that used the office of the Presidency to enrich himself while having the worst scandal plagued administration in history including attempting an illegal coup to stay in power and spying on reporters and Democrats in Congress.       

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« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2021, 09:37:18 AM »
JFK was largely a do nothing president.  His primary attribute in history was that he took a good picture. He felt inconvenienced by the civil rights movement.

What a load of BS: 

In terms of his character, he was a serial adulterer including using his position to take advantage of young girls, he lied about his numerous medical conditions during the 1960 campaign including having his doctor file false reports, he took a laundry list of drugs including an anti-psychotic mediation that would have disqualified him from the presidency.

You have your Presidents mixed up. You're describing Criminal Donald. 

Criminal Donald cheated on all of his wives including his current wife from Slovenia with porn stars in which he illegally paid them off while he was in office. That's a felony. Criminal Donald had his "doctors" falsify his medical reports while in office including his height and weight. He also lied about having "bone spurs" so he could get out of going to Vietnam. Criminal Donald abused Adderall for years and is a mentally deranged lunatic suffering from dementia. He was rushed to Walter Reed Hospital with a medical episode that his corrupt lying administration never divulged to the public the real reason why he was sent there. His failing health after that incident showed him in full decline with slurred speech and forgetfulness.     

Jackie was so concerned about their impact on him that she inquired about it.  Imagine if Trump were on such medications during a nuclear crisis like JFK faced in Cuba? He knowingly lied about a "missile gap" with Russia during the campaign.  A claim he knew Nixon could not rebut because the information was classified.  He used his father's influence to avoid a court martial for failing to maintain a proper watch in a combat zone which resulted in a large Japanese destroyer being able to ram and sink his small, mobile PT boat resulting in deaths among his crew.  A legacy of corruption and mostly do nothing results.  LBJ accomplished more in his first hundred days as president than JFK did in his entire lifetime.

More  BS:

President Kennedy saved America with his steady leadership with the Cuban Missile Crisis. He was also a war hero and your orange messiah is a draft dodger and allowed the worst mass causality of deaths in history due to his negligence and refusal to protect this country from a pandemic. Criminal Donald is a pathological liar who will be indicted for his crimes. Criminal Donald never had any accomplishments except for stacking the courts with far right wing extremist judges, but even a robot could have done the same.   

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« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2021, 11:43:19 AM »
I moved most of my loooong post below, here :
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Michael T. Griffith, as described in the link I included above, is an author and a scholar. Why would he voluntarily post what I am responding to in this thread, especially after I pointed out he had posted three links to John Solomon's new website? Please consider that supporters of Trump seem to have no choice. They literally seem to post in spite of the facts, instead of in support of them. I consider myself responsive to facts, but I readily admit I am not gifted with the IQ or abilities of Michael Griffith. I am my own man. Maybe I am the lucky one!

The "author" of the first article cited by Michael as "useful", is the Trump supporting stooge, Sharyl Attkisson :

The "author" of the second and third article cited by Michael as "useful", is the Trump supporting stooge, Daniel Payne.:

This thread just keeps on giving, like the tide going out, revealing who has been swimming naked, from a discernment standpoint.

Michael, is this a sign of a conspiracy of medical science against Trump and Trump party?

Translation:
John Solomon is a discredited, Hannity fed and directed shill for Trump.:

Michael, from your "Trumped up", POV, science does not seem to matter, despite the Trump pressured FDA having no incentive to contradict Trump.

Are you also an anti-vaxxer? The choice of avoiding posting like an anti-science, "whack job" is entirely up to you! Why intentionally diminish your own credibility? Why support the mendacious, uninformed, BS of the world's worst person, considering the resources at his disposal VS the intentional sabotage and sunami of lies and other manipulations that are the "work product" of the 45th POTUS?

Since late February, the U.S. medical community has learned much more about treatment efficacy and is much better prepared, from testing to response.
You're posted opinion is in direct contrast to FDA policy revisions, and to the reality on the ground. You deliberately remove your bearings to conduct any reliable, science supported argument. Why deliberately post like a laughable knucklehead? Can you not discern the ridiculousness of the few posters in this thread who have been posting BS similar to what you are delivering in this thread page?

Florida has a pop. of about 20 million, older on average, than in many other U.S. states. It takes a larger increase of younger victims to move Florida's numbers because of the large, general pop. and the older than average age.

If your life depended on it, "Useful" cites from Michael's justthenews.com, or.....

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Re: JFK vs Trump
« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2021, 09:22:53 PM »
What a load of BS: 

You have your Presidents mixed up. You're describing Criminal Donald. 

Criminal Donald cheated on all of his wives including his current wife from Slovenia with porn stars in which he illegally paid them off while he was in office. That's a felony. Criminal Donald had his "doctors" falsify his medical reports while in office including his height and weight. He also lied about having "bone spurs" so he could get out of going to Vietnam. Criminal Donald abused Adderall for years and is a mentally deranged lunatic suffering from dementia. He was rushed to Walter Reed Hospital with a medical episode that his corrupt lying administration never divulged to the public the real reason why he was sent there. His failing health after that incident showed him in full decline with slurred speech and forgetfulness.     

More  BS:

President Kennedy saved America with his steady leadership with the Cuban Missile Crisis. He was also a war hero and your orange messiah is a draft dodger and allowed the worst mass causality of deaths in history due to his negligence and refusal to protect this country from a pandemic. Criminal Donald is a pathological liar who will be indicted for his crimes. Criminal Donald never had any accomplishments except for stacking the courts with far right wing extremist judges, but even a robot could have done the same.   

LOL.  I can see now why you usually just cut and paste fake news stories and debunked anti-Trump conspiracy theories.  Obviously, you have no direct knowledge of history.  It was JFK's weakness that emboldened the Russians to put missiles in Cuba.  Under a stronger president like Nixon, they would never have done so but they had complete disdain for JFK.  And it was only after JFK caved and agreed to remove US missiles from Turkey that Russia removed the Cuban missiles.  An enormous strategic win for the Soviet Union that the liberal media has spun into a fairy tale.  Not unlike PT 109 which should have resulted in JFK's court martial for dereliction of duty.

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« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2021, 09:22:53 PM »