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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: JFK vs Trump
« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2020, 08:05:33 PM »
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I think Mr Griffith belongs in the other thread, "Trump supporters and conspiracy theories".

He's Exhibit A

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Offline Paul May

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Re: JFK vs Trump
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2020, 11:05:44 PM »
I think Mr Griffith belongs in the other thread, "Trump supporters and conspiracy theories".

He's Exhibit A
Well said.

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« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2020, 12:14:19 AM »
I moved most of my loooong post below, here :

......My observations leading me to firmly believe Mr. Griffith's political opinions are evidence of an involuntary belief system, rather than supported by facts. The point he made about Trump's "accomplishment", resulting in the zeroing of the ACA mandate, a fine on taxpayers who are not low income exempted from purchasing and or maintaining health insurance coverage, was probably the item he credited to Trump that I found most troubling, because it certainly is within Mr. Griffith's intellectual capacity to understand it is vital for at least two reasons.:...
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If not involuntary, why post indicating minimization or outright dismissal of outright corruption of the U.S, Department of Justice, the rule of law, and, even more obviously, Trump's "in your face", complete disdain for the truth?

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https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/07/09/judge-emmet-sullivan-contests-dc-circuit-decision-ordering-dismissal-of-flynn-case/

Judge Emmet Sullivan Contests DC Circuit Decision Ordering Dismissal of Flynn Case | National Law Journal
The panel's decision threatens to turn ordinary judicial process upside down veteran trial lawyer Beth Wilkinson representing U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan ...
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https://www.lawfareblog.com/judge-emmet-sullivan-petitions-rehearing-en-banc-flynn-case
THE RUSSIA CONNECTION
Judge Emmet Sullivan Petitions for a Rehearing En Banc in Flynn Case
By Matt Gluck Thursday, July 9, 2020, 4:32 PM


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/01/president-trump-made-19127-false-or-misleading-claims-1226-days/
Fact Checker - Analysis
President Trump made 19,127 false or misleading claims in 1,226 days
By Glenn Kessler, Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly
June 1, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. EDT
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Nice bogus right wing propaganda.

The greatest economy on record was created by Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Donald Trump is a fraud and took credit for it just like he paid someone to take his SATs for him.

Manufacturing has been in a recession since last September and the economic recession started BEFORE the Trump Virus due to his bogus tariffs and tax gimmicks to the 1% that tripled the national debt. 

The middle class didn't hardly get a tax cut and are worse off than 4 years ago with finances.

Black and Hispanic unemployment is at an all time high.

We are losing and behind every major nation with Donald Trump.           

Get some new talking points.

I think Mr Griffith belongs in the other thread, "Trump supporters and conspiracy theories".

He's Exhibit A
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Michael T. Griffith, as described in the link I included above, is an author and a scholar. Why would he voluntarily post what I am responding to in this thread, especially after I pointed out he had posted three links to John Solomon's new website? Please consider that supporters of Trump seem to have no choice. They literally seem to post in spite of the facts, instead of in support of them. I consider myself responsive to facts, but I readily admit I am not gifted with the IQ or abilities of Michael Griffith. I am my own man. Maybe I am the lucky one!

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Obama's First Full Day as a Tyrant Who Ordered the Assassination of American Citizen Samir Kahn
By Guest Tom Scully, October 1, 2011 in JFK Assassination Debate .....

If you Google "U.S. COVID-19 deaths," you'll see that although the number of cases has increased dramatically over the last several weeks, the number of daily new deaths has nosedived, just as many experts predicted would happen. The number of daily new deaths has dropped by over 100% over the last three weeks. In contrast, three weeks after the lockdowns began, the number of daily new deaths skyrocketed, and that spike continued for 2-3 weeks, which of course suggests that the lockdowns did more harm than good.

Trump was right about hydroxychloroquine
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/trump-touted-covid-19-drug-hydroxychloroquine-works-according-new-study

Some other useful articles:

Georgia's daily new COVID-19 deaths hit 3-month low
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/once-seen-outbreak-disaster-making-georgia-just-hit-3-month-low-covid

Schools can and should reopen
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/evidence-continues-mount-reopening-schools-safe-yet-many-us-officials

The "author" of the first article cited by Michael as "useful", is the Trump supporting stooge, Sharyl Attkisson :

The "author" of the second and third article cited by Michael as "useful", is the Trump supporting stooge, Daniel Payne.:

This thread just keeps on giving, like the tide going out, revealing who has been swimming naked, from a discernment standpoint.

Michael, is this a sign of a conspiracy of medical science against Trump and Trump party?

Translation:
John Solomon is a discredited, Hannity fed and directed shill for Trump.:

Michael, from your "Trumped up", POV, science does not seem to matter, despite the Trump pressured FDA having no incentive to contradict Trump.

Are you also an anti-vaxxer? The choice of avoiding posting like an anti-science, "whack job" is entirely up to you! Why intentionally diminish your own credibility? Why support the mendacious, uninformed, BS of the world's worst person, considering the resources at his disposal VS the intentional sabotage and sunami of lies and other manipulations that are the "work product" of the 45th POTUS?

Since late February, the U.S. medical community has learned much more about treatment efficacy and is much better prepared, from testing to response.
You're posted opinion is in direct contrast to FDA policy revisions, and to the reality on the ground. You deliberately remove your bearings to conduct any reliable, science supported argument. Why deliberately post like a laughable knucklehead? Can you not discern the ridiculousness of the few posters in this thread who have been posting BS similar to what you are delivering in this thread page?

Florida has a pop. of about 20 million, older on average, than in many other U.S. states. It takes a larger increase of younger victims to move Florida's numbers because of the large, general pop. and the older than average age.

If your life depended on it, "Useful" cites from Michael's justthenews.com, or.....
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2020, 01:17:28 PM »
It is sad to see such blind partisan hatred of Trump. Many conservatives displayed intolerance and blind hatred toward Obama, but the hatred and derangement that some liberals are displaying toward Trump are setting new records for polarization and bigotry.

The problem is that when you decide that you hate someone, you will almost never admit when they do something good. I see such blindness in the irrational, surreal way that many liberals have responded to Trump's tax cuts, to his ending the Obamacare penalty fine, to his historic reduction in federal regulations, to his new North American trade agreement (which even many unions agree is a big improvement over NAFTA), to his support of school choice, etc., etc.

And, seriously, aren't those of you who support Biden worried about his mental capacity? Really, anyone who has watched even just a few of Biden's public appearances can see that he frequently loses his train of thought, slurs his words, and sometimes almost seems in a daze or trance for a few seconds. I'm not talking about his gaffes. Trump commits lots of gaffes too. I'm talking about the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity has severely diminished, and that it's only getting worse. During the early stage of the Dem primary, even some of the talking heads on MSNBC openly discussed the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity is substantially diminished.

If Biden is going to end up in the White House, I just hope he picks a rational, moderate running mate, not a rabid idealogue like Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams. I wish Biden nothing but the best. I have nothing against him as a person. I think he has a compelling life story. He has long record of being willing to compromise and work with the other side. But given his diminished capacity, I worry that he would not really be in control as president but would be manipulated in too many cases to do things that he would never have done 10 years ago.
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Re: JFK vs Trump
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2020, 07:11:44 AM »
To make an issue of Biden’s “diminished capacity” and ignore Trump’s is a serious blind spot.

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« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2020, 07:24:58 AM »
It is sad to see such blind partisan hatred of Trump. Many conservatives displayed intolerance and blind hatred toward Obama, but the hatred and derangement that some liberals are displaying toward Trump are setting new records for polarization and bigotry.

The problem is that when you decide that you hate someone, you will almost never admit when they do something good. I see such blindness in the irrational, surreal way that many liberals have responded to Trump's tax cuts, to his ending the Obamacare penalty fine, to his historic reduction in federal regulations, to his new North American trade agreement (which even many unions agree is a big improvement over NAFTA), to his support of school choice, etc., etc.

And, seriously, aren't those of you who support Biden worried about his mental capacity? Really, anyone who has watched even just a few of Biden's public appearances can see that he frequently loses his train of thought, slurs his words, and sometimes almost seems in a daze or trance for a few seconds. I'm not talking about his gaffes. Trump commits lots of gaffes too. I'm talking about the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity has severely diminished, and that it's only getting worse. During the early stage of the Dem primary, even some of the talking heads on MSNBC openly discussed the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity is substantially diminished.

If Biden is going to end up in the White House, I just hope he picks a rational, moderate running mate, not a rabid idealogue like Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams. I wish Biden nothing but the best. I have nothing against him as a person. I think he has a compelling life story. He has long record of being willing to compromise and work with the other side. But given his diminished capacity, I worry that he would not really be in control as president but would be manipulated in too many cases to do things that he would never have done 10 years ago.

Anyone who supports a president who makes fun of handicapped people, who started laundering money for the Russian Mafia in 1984, and whose mentor and confidant is Roger "Ratxxxxxx" Stone is a borderline sociopath himself, imho.

--  MWT  ;)
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Re: JFK vs Trump
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2020, 02:09:17 PM »
It is sad to see such blind partisan hatred of Trump. Many conservatives displayed intolerance and blind hatred toward Obama, but the hatred and derangement that some liberals are displaying toward Trump are setting new records for polarization and bigotry.

It's sad to see a criminal destroy our country who is a white supremacist and a pathological liar. Same guy who accused the first black President of the United States of being "an illegal alien" and forced him to show his birth certificate. His lies have caused 44 million people to lose their jobs, killed over 137,000 people, and infected 3.3 million.   


The problem is that when you decide that you hate someone, you will almost never admit when they do something good. I see such blindness in the irrational, surreal way that many liberals have responded to Trump's tax cuts, to his ending the Obamacare penalty fine, to his historic reduction in federal regulations, to his new North American trade agreement (which even many unions agree is a big improvement over NAFTA), to his support of school choice, etc., etc.

Using the word "hate" to promote your propaganda always makes your point invalid. His reduction in regulations has allowed corruption to take place. His tax cuts were a joke and went to the top 1%. Very thin on your list of "accomplishments".         

And, seriously, aren't those of you who support Biden worried about his mental capacity? Really, anyone who has watched even just a few of Biden's public appearances can see that he frequently loses his train of thought, slurs his words, and sometimes almost seems in a daze or trance for a few seconds. I'm not talking about his gaffes. Trump commits lots of gaffes too. I'm talking about the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity has severely diminished, and that it's only getting worse. During the early stage of the Dem primary, even some of the talking heads on MSNBC openly discussed the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity is substantially diminished.

There's nothing wrong with Biden's mental capacity. What we see from Donald Trump is constant slurring of words, losing his train of thought, unable to walk, has to drink a glass of water with two hands. He has dementia.     

Want to see diminished mental capacity? 


Offline John Tonkovich

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« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2020, 06:14:05 PM »
Mr. Griffith:
As Mr. Scully pointed out, John Solomon is a partisan shill for Trump.
He conspired with Victoria Toensing, her husband Joseph Degova, Rudy Guiliani, Lev Parnas, and Dmitry Firtash ( pro Russian Ukrainian oligarch) to create the whole Hunter Biden scam.
Solomon was removed from The Hill for writing opinion pieces masquerading as investigative journalism.
He never informed his readers - and viewers, on Fox News - of his ties to all the folks listed above.
 ( Integrity much?)

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