Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Chris Davidson]

Thank you very much for this informative response, Mr. Davidson------------much appreciated! 

Here is a link to what I did post previously. If you scroll down just a bit you can read the brief responses we had.
Sorry I mis-spoke about the prior collage being posted, as I truly thought that was the one.
Anyhow, keep up the excellent work.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3524.msg135170.html#msg135170

[Chris Davidson]

Took the two clearest frames and enlarged them.
Doing this, it could be the tree foliage/camera movement is creating the appearance of two different bodies.
?

[Alan Ford]

Here is a link to what I did post previously. If you scroll down just a bit you can read the brief responses we had.
Sorry I mis-spoke about the prior collage being posted, as I truly thought that was the one.
Anyhow, keep up the excellent work.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3524.msg135170.html#msg135170

Many thanks, Mr. Davidson-------------------------I had completely forgotten this exchange, as the full potential significance of your suggestion just didn't register with me at the time! Your identification of the Lovelady arm turns what was an amorphous plaid blob into a fragment we can make some physiognomical sense of. Brilliant work! 

[Alan Ford]

Took the two clearest frames and enlarged them.
Doing this, it could be the tree foliage/camera movement is creating the appearance of two different bodies.
?

Yes, I'm not convinced (at least not yet) that we are necessarily seeing two different shirts in Bell.

The key point IMO is the fact that we are seeing an unbroken horizontal stretch of red in Bell.

The disposition of that part of the red shirt of our man in Hughes not blocked by Mr. Carl Edward Jones
--------------(red [right shoulder]-white[tshirt]-red[left shoulder])--------------
simply does not allow for what we're seeing in Bell
--------------(red-red-red)----------------.
And Bell's vantage point would yield MORE blockage of our man in red by Mr. Jones!



Now! Someone might suggest: 'Maybe Carl Edward Jones lowered his body momentarily, thus making visible to Bell the buttoned lower part of Lovelady's shirt?'
Nope. Towner rules that out: it can be synced to the Bell frames, and it shows Mr. Jones still standing upright as he was doing in Hughes, still blocking our man in red just like he was doing in Hughes.

I cannot, in short, see a logical way for our man in red in Hughes to be Mr. Lovelady.

 

[Chris Davidson]

Yes, I'm not convinced (at least not yet) that we are necessarily seeing two different shirts in Bell.

The key point IMO is the fact that we are seeing an unbroken horizontal stretch of red in Bell.

The disposition of that part of the red shirt of our man in Hughes not blocked by Mr. Carl Edward Jones
--------------(red [right shoulder]-white[tshirt]-red[left shoulder])--------------
simply does not allow for what we're seeing in Bell
--------------(red-red-red)----------------.
And Bell's vantage point would yield MORE blockage of our man in red by Mr. Jones!



Now! Someone might suggest: 'Maybe Carl Edward Jones lowered his body momentarily, thus making visible to Bell the buttoned lower part of Lovelady's shirt?'
Nope. Towner rules that out: it can be synced to the Bell frames, and it shows Mr. Jones still standing upright as he was doing in Hughes, still blocking our man in red just like he was doing in Hughes.

I cannot, in short, see a logical way for our man in red in Hughes to be Mr. Lovelady.

 

Nice summation.
Short of someone trying to convince us that the same person covered the white t-shirt by buttoning up their red overshirt in approx 2 sec (unrealistic), I'm not seeing another alternative other than what you have described.

[Alan Ford]

Nice summation.
Short of someone trying to convince us that the same person covered the white t-shirt by buttoning up their red overshirt in approx 2 sec (unrealistic), I'm not seeing another alternative other than what you have described.

Precisely, Mr. Davidson!

Which leaves us with two red-shirted men in the west half of the doorway:
1. Mr. Billy Lovelady
2. A slender white male in a reddish shirt over a white tshirt, apparently drinking from a bottle

Who on EARTH can #2 be?


If ONLY we had a Depository employee who
a) fits the description of #2
b) claimed to have gone outside to watch P. Parade

It's so frustratingly hard to work out.........................

[Chris Davidson]

Precisely, Mr. Davidson!

Which leaves us with two red-shirted men in the west half of the doorway:
1. Mr. Billy Lovelady
2. A slender white male in a reddish shirt over a white tshirt, apparently drinking from a bottle

Who on EARTH can #2 be?


If ONLY we had a Depository employee who
a) fits the description of #2
b) claimed to have gone outside to watch P. Parade

It's so frustratingly hard to work out.........................

Was Lovelady coerced into testifying to parallel Oswald actions?
Mr. BALL - What did you do after you went down and washed up; what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down.
Mr. BALL - Upstairs on what floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Mr. BALL - What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
The red shirted person in Bell(plotted) is (basically/very close) to where Lovelady? is in Hughes. That person is on the west side of the center railing and closer to the west wall opening
If the person in Hughes' coke drinking gif was Lovelady, then the red shirted person in Bell is not Lovelady.

[Alan Ford]

Where was this fellow (red sweater) during the assassination?

Are you talking about the young black man standing here beside Mr. Carl Edward Jones on the steps, Mr. Organ?