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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2016 on: February 12, 2023, 08:25:18 PM »
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Was Lovelady coerced into testifying to parallel Oswald actions?
Mr. BALL - What did you do after you went down and washed up; what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down.
Mr. BALL - Upstairs on what floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Mr. BALL - What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.

One certainly has to wonder, Mr. Davidson........ And I believe Mr. Lovelady may have taken on Mr. Oswald's role in his claim to have accompanied Mr. Shelley off the steps and over west.

Incidentally, Mr. Lovelady, in insisting (accurately) that he was indeed the man in the doorway in Altgens, gave false testimony when he stated he was over on the far west side of the doorway. He was misunderstanding the angle at which Mr. Altgens' photograph was taken!
 
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The red shirted person in Bell(plotted) is (basically/very close) to where Lovelady? is in Hughes. That person is on the west side of the center railing and closer to the west wall opening

Are we sure about that, given Bell's POV? I've been thinking the red shirted person in Bell is at or close to the Lovelady-in-Altgens/Wiegman position (i.e. up several steps and right over by the center rail)? Cf. his relation to Ms. Maddie Reese (green arrow) in white down below in Bell.



I believe Mr. Lovelady is hidden from Hughes' view because the girl on the pedestal is in the way:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2016 on: February 12, 2023, 08:25:18 PM »


Offline Chris Davidson

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2017 on: February 12, 2023, 10:08:11 PM »

Are we sure about that, given Bell's POV? I've been thinking the red shirted person in Bell is at or close to the Lovelady-in-Altgens/Wiegman position (i.e. up several steps and right over by the center rail)? Cf. his relation to Ms. Maddie Reese (green arrow) in white down below in Bell.

Connecting back to Bell's pedestal:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2018 on: February 12, 2023, 10:51:54 PM »
Connecting back to Bell's pedestal:


Much thanks for this, Mr. Davidson!

If it's not too much trouble, could you give us the map with the red lines going all the way back to Mr. Bell's pedestal?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2019 on: February 13, 2023, 12:01:26 AM »
As to height, it would seem that Mr. Lovelady, at the time of Bell, is on the same step as in the later Wiegman frames:



Altgens/early-Wiegman catches him on a higher step (to get a better view down Elm St., presumably); then he steps back down (later-Wiegman).

As to how far from the center rail he is in Bell, well let's see (drawing lines across Altgens is........ risky)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2020 on: February 13, 2023, 04:33:10 AM »
Much thanks for this, Mr. Davidson!

If it's not too much trouble, could you give us the map with the red lines going all the way back to Mr. Bell's pedestal?

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Surely.
The first one was connecting him to the center of the pedestal.
I believe he was at the north end according to the photo, so that is where I made this connection.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2021 on: February 13, 2023, 01:37:07 PM »
I have very little doubt that the LHO was on the front door steps together with Lovelady and that the person in the Hughes film was Roscoe White.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2022 on: February 13, 2023, 04:57:14 PM »
Surely.
The first one was connecting him to the center of the pedestal.
I believe he was at the north end according to the photo, so that is where I made this connection.


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Perhaps the yellow traffic pole offers another useful point of reference?


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2023 on: February 13, 2023, 07:13:17 PM »
Pinpoint the traffic pole on a map, then.

It's already pinpointed on the map Mr. Davidson has been using, Mr. Organ

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2023 on: February 13, 2023, 07:13:17 PM »