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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2704 on: October 15, 2023, 10:53:40 PM »
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Dougherty overacting being an innocent observer?


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2705 on: October 15, 2023, 11:34:40 PM »
Dougherty overacting being an innocent observer?

If it is Dougherty, and that's just a guess, he was up there looking for Truly apparently.
At some point Dougherty is asked by Shelley to guard the elevator (near the front of the building I guess). I'm assuming it's while he's doing this an FBI man asks him to find Truly. Dougherty goes through all the floors but can't find Truly. Eventually he ends up on the sixth floor after the rifle has been found.
The pic Chris posted is taken after the rifle has been found and before Fritz leaves, between 1:30 and 2:00pm.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2706 on: October 16, 2023, 04:50:54 AM »
The man who is the spitting image of Mr. Billy Lovelady is either
a) Mr. Lovelady, standing on something
b) A Lovelady lookalike, who happens also to be current holder of the Dallas's Tallest Man prize.

Tough one............

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2707 on: October 16, 2023, 09:37:02 AM »
The man who is the spitting image of Mr. Billy Lovelady is either
a) Mr. Lovelady, standing on something
b) A Lovelady lookalike, who happens also to be current holder of the Dallas's Tallest Man prize.

Tough one............

 :D :D
Not you're not still doing the Lovelady-On-A-Box routine, are you?
That's almost as good as the In-The-Building-Is-Outside-The-Building routine.
Or your latest one - the old Prayer Man/Prayer Woman Switcheroo.

As I have this man down as the potential shooter, it's interesting to note his passing resemblance to Oswald.
As for the tallest man in Dallas - I reckon Dougherty was around 6'4" at the time of the assassination. There's no reason to believe the man in Chris's pic is any more than that.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2708 on: October 16, 2023, 11:36:46 AM »
As I have this man down as the potential shooter, it's interesting to note his passing resemblance to Oswald.
As for the tallest man in Dallas - I reckon Dougherty was around 6'4" at the time of the assassination. There's no reason to believe the man in Chris's pic is any more than that.

Yeah, you always put on the tinfoil hat when Mr. Dougherty comes into your thoughts. The poor man will be 7' by your next post, lol

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2709 on: October 16, 2023, 12:42:19 PM »
He could easily be standing on a pallet. There are boxes very close to him.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2023, 12:43:07 PM by Michael Capasse »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2710 on: October 18, 2023, 01:08:16 AM »
At some point in time Mr.Truly ( allegedly) had told Lovelady  to guard the rear elevators on the ground floor.

I don’t see how that could have been until AFTER Truly and Baker came back down from the roof top using the east elevator again and they stopped on the 4th floor for some period of time.

So Lovelady must not have been told by Truly to guard the elevators until after at least 10 minutes or more post shots.

So if Lovelady stayed guarding the elevators like he’s been told until Fritz showed up then maybe Lovelady  operated the east elevator to take Fritz and others up to the 6th floor and then Lovelady lingered for a while on the 6th floor.

Lovelady must have taken off his red checkered flannel shirt because he was hot, and he must have stood on a box or pallet which increased his height.

Highly doubtful imo that the 6th floor shooter would be still lingering around on the 6th floor when Fritz got there, and or was  a guy who resembled Oswald who is NOT Lovelady, therefore NOT an TSBD employee, because even the bumbling Fritz would be suspicious of such character and probably have taken him to be interrogated.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2711 on: October 18, 2023, 10:26:20 AM »
At 10:10 in the video below we see Fritz as he walks into the area containing the rifle. The other side of the boxes is swarming with law enforcement officers. As Fritz moves across we see the area that the mystery man is stood in. This area is also swarming with officers (highlighted in red):



There are other moments in the video when we see this area crowded by officers milling about. The area in question is between the stairs and the elevators and would have been kept clear for freedom of movement.


Is it Lovelady stood on a box after taking his shirt off?
Why would he be stood on a box? In his HSCA interview, Lovelady repeats that he stayed by the elevator while he was on the sixth floor (it is interesting that Lovelady, Shelley and Dougherty all testify that they were present on the sixth floor around the time the rifle discovery).
Why did he take his shirt off, the room is full of men wearing full suits. many wearing hats. They don't seem to be affected by the heat?

It seems to me it's equally possible that we are looking at a tall man. Not an extraordinarily tall man. Just someone well over six feet tall.
It seems to me it's equally possible it's someone who didn't remove any clothes, who was just wearing what they were wearing.
This doesn't require a lot of unnecessary assumptions that seem unsupported by what evidence little is available.

What is clear is that the mystery man is not a police officer. He can only be an employee of the TSBD. And not an office worker.
This leaves two realistic choices - it is either Lovelady on a box wearing different clothes or it's the very tall Jack Dougherty wearing his own clothes.

I don't know if James Hackerott is around anymore but it would be great if he could use his "stacking" method on the short piece of video footage in which the mystery man appears.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2023, 10:29:09 AM by Dan O'meara »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2711 on: October 18, 2023, 10:26:20 AM »