Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

Jeesh, these last few pages of 'debate' are soooooooooooo 2010!

Team Keep LHO Off Them Steps still can't

---------------------find a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man

---------------------explain the ridiculous shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman

---------------------explain away the suppression (for over five decades) of Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke BEFORE going "outside to watch the P. Parade".

[Frederick Clements]

Oswald said that he went outside to watch the parade. There is a figure on the front steps who looks like him. So who else could it be?

Fred

[Dan O'meara]

Jeesh, these last few pages of 'debate' are soooooooooooo 2010!

Team Keep LHO Off Them Steps still can't

---------------------find a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man

---------------------explain the ridiculous shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman

---------------------explain away the suppression (for over five decades) of Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke BEFORE going "outside to watch the P. Parade".

It's great to have your expertise back on board Mr Ford.
As these questions are soooooo 2010 just clear them up quickly and we can move on:
Who created the 2FLRE Hoax?
Who is directing the Hoax?
Who is involved?

These are obviously simple questions for someone of your experience. I would be really surprised if you couldn't answer them or you were evasive.

 

[Zeon Mason]

With regard to person in white shirt with arms raised shading their eyes , IMO that person is not likely Sarah Stanton for the following reasons.

1. The forearms appear too skinny , unlike the fatty arms of Sarah
2. The position of “shading eyes” person is not near enough to Pauline Sanders to be considered “beside me” per Sanders statement
3. There is more probable LOS from shading eyes person to the JFK limo after it passed, in contrast to where prayerblob iis located ( blocked by actual side of bldg,
4. The position in the center of the front steps is more probable to have seen Baker running to and up the steps, in contrast to prayerblob position in west corner where LOS to the east half of front steps ( the side Baker went up, thus being seen by Pauline Sanders) , more probable to be blocked by  BWF , Joe Molina and Shelly occupying the 4 ft wide landing space just in front of the right side entrance door.

[Bill Chapman]

As I say Rick, for certain parties it is important that this encounter between Oswald, Baker and Truly in the second floor lunchroom didn't happen. It really spoils their models for what happened that day.
So they propose the whole thing is a hoax and there seems to be plenty of contradictory testimony to support this assertion.
But the "Hoax Theory" is put forward as a reality that explains certain things and, to my mind at least, you don't just get to propose something as a reality then not explain the "mechanics" of this reality.
You don't just conjure up something out of thin air as a reality then not justify the basis of that reality.
So, if the Hoax is real:

Who created it?
What are it's origins?
Who is directing it?
Who is involved?

These are simple, reasonable questions that must be answered by anyone proposing the "2FLRE Hoax Theory" as a reality.
Anyone who looks into this will quickly discover how ridiculous the notion of the Hoax is. As soon as one tries to explain the Hoax as a reality it vanishes leaving the prospect that the encounter did indeed take place.

'As soon as one tries to explain the Hoax as a reality it vanishes leaving the prospect that the encounter did indeed take place'
>>> Exacfly what I found a few years ago. I came here looking for a conspiracy, but these pet theories just seem to lose momentum, eventually stopping dead in their tracks: A case of being all dressed up and no place to go.

[Alan Ford]

It's great to have your expertise back on board Mr Ford.
As these questions are soooooo 2010 just clear them up quickly and we can move on:
Who created the 2FLRE Hoax?
Who is directing the Hoax?
Who is involved?

These are obviously simple questions for someone of your experience. I would be really surprised if you couldn't answer them or you were evasive.

 

Easy peasy, Mr O'Meara!

Who created the 2FLRE Hoax? Looks like SA Nat Pinkston played a key role.
Who directed the 2FLRE Hoax? See above!
Who is involved? Officer Baker, Mr Truly and Mrs Reid: pressurized into playing along. Key 'investigators' (i.e. cover-up merchants) in FBI, DPD and SS agreed on 2FLRE as least worst damage-limitation strategy-------limiting the damage caused, of course, by the fact that a) Mr Oswald had had his encounter with Officer Baker/Mr Truly at the front entrance; b) Officer Baker/Mr Truly had subsequently encountered a different man walking away from the rear stairway 'on the third or fourth floor'.

Now! Do let us know when you are in a position to

---------------------find a credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man

---------------------explain the ridiculous shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in Wiegman

---------------------explain away the suppression (for over five decades) of Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke BEFORE going "outside to watch P. Parade".

So far you haven't done any better on any of these than the original Mr Doyle did!

 

[Zeon Mason]

There is no other place for The Fat Lady to be in that 4.5 ft width of landing other than in the west corner where prayerblob is

[Zeon Mason]

The reasons:

1. Pauline Sanders locates Stanton (at least for some segment of time,) as located beside herself on the east side of the landing. However , there does not appear to be a fat lady next to Sanders in the Couch and Wiegman film frames

It is doubtful that the fat lady would have remained blocking the front door, and therefore opted to move to another position from which she would be less an obstacle plus also have a better LOS to at least the corner of Houston and Elm St.

2. Pauline Sanders FBI statement includes reference to seeing Baker, while Sarah has no such statement. If Sarah was still standing beside Pauline (hence in front of  the door) its questionable how Stanton could have missed Baker running virtually right into her. Would not Stanton have included this observation in her FBI statement just as Pauline did, if such sighting of Baker did occur?

3. Prayerblob height is approx 5’3” per John Mytton’s analysis in another lengthy thread. Sarah Stanton is allegedly not taller than 5’4”.

4. Sarah Stanton has not been absolutely identified as on of the other women visible in the Weigman and Couch Film or Altgens no. 6 photo

5. Mr Fords proposition that white shirt person shading their eyes (to the right of Billy ) is Sarah Stanton?  Is doubtful per reasons such as  A. skinny forearms and  B. location having LOS to JFK after passing by TSBD entrance, in contrast to Sarah Stanton  statement inferring her LOS was blocked after the limo passed.