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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1568 on: August 05, 2021, 02:43:09 PM »
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    "Mr. BAKER - I never did have a chance to see him in the lineup. I saw
          him when I went to give the affidavit, the statement that I saw him
          down there, of the actions of myself and Mr. Truly as we went into
          the building and on up what we are discussing now."

Since the details of the encounter takes about 15% of the affidavit, I doubt Baker was mainly going to give his affidavit about the encounter. Hardly the "chief point". And in his testimony, Baker says he saw the man mentioned in the only encounter in the affidavit, Oswald.

Nah. You lose because Baker says nothing about your fantasy encounter with Oswald at the entrance. Instead he sees Oswald and then makes his affidavit describing the encounter inside the building. Direct linkage.

"I saw him when I went to give the affidavit."

He's ruled out because Truly vouched for him. Should Baker have let the man go, or shoot the man and Truly? No error in judgment at all. BTW, why would Baker and Truly lie about a second-floor with Oswald when they supposedly had a fourth-floor encounter that would put Oswald nearer the sixth floor? Why would Oswald go along with the encounter with Baker and Truly at the back of the building?



You're good at gas-lighting. I suggested to you that early press reports aren't reliable. That's why inquires are conducted.

All we have from you is semantics and showing your gullibility by citing early press reports. Yawn.

To OAKers (aka Oswald Arse Kissers) inquiries and investigations are denounced and derided as nothing more than 'excuses', 'explanations' and/or flat-out 'coverups'. I have encountered those very same adolescent conclusions amongst GOP supporters in the political arena.

But what else can one expect from high school drop-outs?
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1569 on: August 07, 2021, 05:51:24 AM »
What if  Oswald/PM did  NOT precede Baker into the TSBD lobby?

Here’s the scenario

Oswald /PM was observing Baker approaching the front entrance steps and remained in that west corner of entrance landing as Baker runs up the east side of the center handrail front steps and Baker enters the TSBD front lobby area.

PM may or may not have have observed Truly run up the steps , however Truly could easily have NOT noticed Oswald in the west corner.

Oswald waits about 15 seconds longer and then decides he should return and get his jacket from a place in the 2nd floor lunchroom where He had taken it off earlier about 12:15, and where Oswald was seen by. Carolyn Arnold.

If Oswald uses the passenger elevator rather than the front lobby staircase, then there is a plausible probability of an encounter with Baker seeing Oswald either going thru the 2nd floor vestibule zone when Baker /Truly arrive to 2nd floor landing using the rear staircase.

This possible scenario works only if Mrs Reid’s story is either false or a mistaken memory of some earlier encounter with Oswald.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1570 on: August 09, 2021, 11:11:29 PM »
Did Fritz add the part about Oswald being surprised by officer with gun pointed at him?

If encounter is at the TSBD front door or just inside the front lobby , Baker hasn’t drawn his gun yet,

We don't know that--------all we have is Officer Baker's MUCH later claim on it. We may even be seeing Officer Baker already holding a gun in the Darnell frames...........

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so Oswald as PM would not likely  have made any statement about a gun

Pauline Sanders would have likely elaborated more detail on seeing officer if some encounter happened right at  the front door if it involved officer with gun drawn?

Well, this same Ms Sanders also (in the same interview report) thought Mr Oswald and Mr Truly were lunching together in the second-floor lunchroom----------she evidently didn't notice Mr Truly go up those front steps! It is astonishing how few people noticed Officer Baker and/or Mr Truly's run into the front entrance........

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1571 on: August 09, 2021, 11:47:05 PM »
    "Mr. BAKER - I never did have a chance to see him in the lineup. I saw
          him when I went to give the affidavit, the statement that I saw him
          down there, of the actions of myself and Mr. Truly as we went into
          the building and on up what we are discussing now."

Since the details of the encounter takes about 15% of the affidavit, I doubt Baker was mainly going to give his affidavit about the encounter. Hardly the "chief point". And in his testimony, Baker says he saw the man mentioned in the only encounter in the affidavit, Oswald.

Unfortunately for you, Mr Organ, he says no such thing in the affidavit, which makes a nonsense of your scenario. You re-lose! Thumb1:

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Nah. You lose because Baker says nothing about your fantasy encounter with Oswald at the entrance. Instead he sees Oswald and then makes his affidavit describing the encounter inside the building. Direct linkage.

"Direct linkage", lol. The fact that the affidavit makes no linkage whatsoever between the man caught walking away from the rear stairway on the third or fourth floor and the man now in custody makes a nonsense of your scenario

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"I saw him when I went to give the affidavit."

How does this substantiate your wild claim that in his testimony Officer Baker says that upon seeing Mr Oswald he was compelled to add detail about the encounter? Looks like you made it up. Tsk tsk!

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He's ruled out because Truly vouched for him. Should Baker have let the man go, or shoot the man and Truly? No error in judgment at all. BTW, why would Baker and Truly lie about a second-floor with Oswald when they supposedly had a fourth-floor encounter that would put Oswald nearer the sixth floor?

Already explained, Mr Organ, as you well know:

---------there was every possibility that unimpeachable proof (photographic or otherwise) would yet emerge that Mr Oswald was at the front entrance at the time of the assassination
---------therefore the relocation of the encounter away from the front entrance was fraught with risk
---------said fictional encounter would have to be somewhere that Mr Oswald could conceivably have gotten to after being out front at the time of the assassination
---------hence the second-floor lunchroom encounter was chosen as the location of a fictional encounter

A location higher up would have been incompatible with LHO-Out-Front, thus risking the exposure of Mr Truly and Officer Baker as rank liars

For the same reason, both Mr Truly and Officer Baker were at pains to describe Mr Oswald in the (fictional) lunchroom encounter as not sweating, not out of breath, not agitated------------this needed to be an Oswald who could have come straight from out front and not the sixth floor.

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Why would Oswald go along with the encounter with Baker and Truly at the back of the building?

He didn't----------and his claim in interrogation to have gone outside to watch P. Parade was buried by your 'investigating' heroes (it only saw the light of day, to your and your Warren Gullible pals' horror, in 2019!)

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You're good at gas-lighting. I suggested to you that early press reports aren't reliable. That's why inquires are conducted.

The encounter happened at the front entrance, as Mr Oswald claimed, as Mr Billy Lovelady saw, and as DPD told the press 11/22. Then, on the evening/night of 11/22, the encounter was moved to the second-floor lunchroom. The following day, the press were fed the fiction about a second-floor lunchroom encounter.

This is why you can't find a single press reference to a second-floor lunchroom encounter prior to DPD's change of tune 11/23!  Thumb1:

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All we have from you is semantics and showing your gullibility by citing early press reports. Yawn.

You're losing the debate, Mr Organ!  Thumb1:
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1572 on: August 09, 2021, 11:51:37 PM »
What if  Oswald/PM did  NOT precede Baker into the TSBD lobby?

Here’s the scenario

Oswald /PM was observing Baker approaching the front entrance steps and remained in that west corner of entrance landing as Baker runs up the east side of the center handrail front steps and Baker enters the TSBD front lobby area.

PM may or may not have have observed Truly run up the steps , however Truly could easily have NOT noticed Oswald in the west corner.

Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz about a front entrance encounter. Mr Billy Lovelady saw the encounter at the front entrance. And DPD told the press all about it (until they realized they'd better stop doing so!)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1573 on: August 11, 2021, 03:29:22 PM »

Oswald told his interrogators that he had gone out to watch the Presidential motorcade. There is footage in two films showing someone looking like Oswald standing on the steps watching the motorcade. Game over.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1574 on: August 12, 2021, 02:33:06 AM »
Oswald told his interrogators that he had gone out to watch the Presidential motorcade. There is footage in two films showing someone looking like Oswald standing on the steps watching the motorcade. Game over.

 Fred


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1575 on: August 12, 2021, 10:28:31 AM »
Oswald told his interrogators that he had gone out to watch the Presidential motorcade. There is footage in two films showing someone looking like Oswald standing on the steps watching the motorcade. Game over.

 Fred

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someone looking like Oswald

 :D :D :D :D

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Game over.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1575 on: August 12, 2021, 10:28:31 AM »