Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Frederick Clements]

 Sigh. Some people are so determined to keep Oswald away from the steps.

 Fred

[Bill Chapman]

Sigh. Some people are so determined to keep Oswald away from the steps.

 Fred

Sigh. Some people are so determined to place Oswald on the steps. Too bad he was placed @Tippit looking like himself.

Slam dunk.

[Zeon Mason]

In the  Darnell film sequence as Baker is nearing the front steps, PM does not appear to be moving away from the corner yet.

So What did PM do with his bottle

A. Placed it at the steps in the recessed portion where PM was standing, and possibly the bottle photographed at that step.

In this scenario, PM places bottle there just as Darnell film sequence of Baker approaching steps ends.

The encounter with Baker therefore is going to be within 5 secs and that’s virtually at or just  inside the front foyer TSBD entrance door.

B. Oswald keeps bottle in  hand, and moves immediately to entrance door as Darnell film ends.

The encounter with Baker happens 10 seconds later, fully inside the TSBD front foyer/lobby and conceivably Oswald is seen by Baker with the bottle of soda in hand, which later, Baker is compelled to strike out of an affidavit statement , possibly due to Mrs Reid’s statements of seeing Oswald with “Full” coke in hand and in T shirt only.

[John Mytton]

Sigh. Some people are so determined to keep Oswald away from the steps.

 Fred

No, Oswald himself said he was inside at the time, don't you believe him?

Reporter:  "Were you in the building at the time?"
Oswald:  "Naturally, if I work in that building, yes sir."

@1:19

JohnM

[Zeon Mason]

The man Baker describes as wearing a “light brown jacket” is in question if the encounter with PM takes place 5 to 10 seconds post Darnell film cut, since PM appears to have the sleeves rolled up.

If Oswald is PM and can get inside the TSBD lobby and make it to the front storage room, it’s conceivable he left his jacket there and could put it on just before meeting Baker in the lobby at the front staircase as Oswald comes out of the storage room.

However, it’s dependent on what time it takes for Baker from his position  at the Darnell film cut  And Baker actually reaching the front steps and how quick Baker ascends 7 steps with people blocking him and if Baker stops on the landing to wait for Truly to join him, before entering.

The distance from west corner of entrance landing to center of an inward swinging front door is only approx 8ft.

Distance from front door to storage room door is approx 20 ft.

30 ft therefore approx max distance / by 5ft per sec pace = 6 sec

Add 3 sec for pushing front door inward and opening storage room door.

PM thus CAN conceivably be IN the storage room and UNSEEN by Baker at the moment Baker enters TSBD lobby thru the front entrance door.

In 5 more seconds Oswald could conceivably have put on his jacket while in the storage room , and exits about the time Baker crosses 15 ft of looby floor , reaches the front staircase , and Baker draws out his gun as he stated “upon reaching the FIRST staircase.

Mr.Truly now enters the TSBD, sees Baker with gun drawn at the front staircase, runs over and sees Oswald and verifies Oswald is an employee.

So in conclusion, Baker and Truly possibly encountered Oswald INSIDE the TSBD and Oswalds statement of being IN the building “at the time” is not necessarily in conflict with Oswald having momentarily stepped “out” onto the front entrance landing perhaps just 30 sec before the shooting started, then returning INTO the building again just 10 sec( or less ) seconds post shots fired.

The only conflict begins when it’s realized that an  Oswald encounter with Baker, by the front storage room on the ground floor makes it impossible that Oswald just came down from 6th floor and traversed 120 ft approx more ground floor distance in only 30 sec fromlast shot fired by theoretical 6th floor shooter Oswald at the SW corner window.

Unless there was a double Oswald😳

[Alan Ford]

No, Oswald himself said he was inside at the time, don't you believe him?

Reporter:  "Were you in the building at the time?"
Oswald:  "Naturally, if I work in that building, yes sir."

~Grin~

Mr Oswald did not use the word "inside". The fact that you need to--------yet again---------put a word in his mouth that he never used tells us just how desperate you are. In his terse exchange with the reporter, Mr Oswald merely confirms that he was at his place of work at the time of the shooting. BFD.

Since 2019, of course, we know that Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he "went outside to watch P. Parade". There is only one place that is both in the building (i.e. part of it) and outside------------enclosed front entranceway 

Now! Consider this exchange-----------------

Mr. BALL. You asked him why he left the building, didn't you?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. He told you because he didn't think there would be any work?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what he did after he left the building?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley.....................

Question! What does 'leaving the building' mean here?

 

[Alan Ford]

Sigh. Some people are so determined to keep Oswald away from the steps.

 Fred

Their attempts to keep Mr Oswald off the steps are proving as unsuccessful as their attempts to put him up at the sixth-floor window!

[Alan Ford]

The man Baker describes as wearing a “light brown jacket” is in question if the encounter with PM takes place 5 to 10 seconds post Darnell film cut, since PM appears to have the sleeves rolled up.

If Oswald is PM and can get inside the TSBD lobby and make it to the front storage room, it’s conceivable he left his jacket there and could put it on just before meeting Baker in the lobby at the front staircase as Oswald comes out of the storage room.

However, it’s dependent on what time it takes for Baker from his position  at the Darnell film cut  And Baker actually reaching the front steps and how quick Baker ascends 7 steps with people blocking him and if Baker stops on the landing to wait for Truly to join him, before entering.

The distance from west corner of entrance landing to center of an inward swinging front door is only approx 8ft.

Distance from front door to storage room door is approx 20 ft.

30 ft therefore approx max distance / by 5ft per sec pace = 6 sec

Add 3 sec for pushing front door inward and opening storage room door.

PM thus CAN conceivably be IN the storage room and UNSEEN by Baker at the moment Baker enters TSBD lobby thru the front entrance door.

In 5 more seconds Oswald could conceivably have put on his jacket while in the storage room , and exits about the time Baker crosses 15 ft of looby floor , reaches the front staircase , and Baker draws out his gun as he stated “upon reaching the FIRST staircase.

Mr.Truly now enters the TSBD, sees Baker with gun drawn at the front staircase, runs over and sees Oswald and verifies Oswald is an employee.

So in conclusion, Baker and Truly possibly encountered Oswald INSIDE the TSBD and Oswalds statement of being IN the building “at the time” is not necessarily in conflict with Oswald having momentarily stepped “out” onto the front entrance landing perhaps just 30 sec before the shooting started, then returning INTO the building again just 10 sec( or less ) seconds post shots fired.

The only conflict begins when it’s realized that an  Oswald encounter with Baker, by the front storage room on the ground floor makes it impossible that Oswald just came down from 6th floor and traversed 120 ft approx more ground floor distance in only 30 sec fromlast shot fired by theoretical 6th floor shooter Oswald at the SW corner window.

Unless there was a double Oswald😳

It's also possible Mr Oswald used 'vestibule' in the classical (and Russian?) sense of outer entranceway. Mr Harry D. Holmes' account of what he said is somewhat garbled & ambiguously worded (although perfectly clear as to basic location: front entrance).

The man with the light brown jacket encountered by Officer Baker was several floors up, and clearly not Mr Oswald. I suspect he may have been this (open-neck-light-colored-shirt-wearing ----- cf recollections of Messrs Edwards & Fischer!) guy-----------------



Cf?