Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

The Darnell frame I posted a couple of pages back in this thread shows PrayerMan with an upper-garment neck cut that seems incompatible with this being Mr. Oswald. It seems Mr. Kamp posted it originally without quite realizing its significance.

Anyone wishing to argue that we can't read too much into just one frame is right, but only up to a point. For Mr. Hackerott has inspected multiple frames from the first-gen copy in the Sixth Floor Museum and-------long before our 'new' frame first went online-------noticed the same feature/problem. Those who wish to continue to press the PM=LHO claim need to go beyond the 'It's only one frame' argument.

They also need to go beyond the (obvious) point that PrayerMan is not Mrs. Sarah Stanton. We know that, and have done for a very long time. What's new here is that Mr. Oswald now no longer seems a viable candidate either. PrayerMan's not being Mrs. Stanton does not make PrayerMan Mr. Oswald, especially when this 'new' Darnell frame makes it appear that PrayerMan is in fact a woman!

Whoever PrayerMan is, the answer is going to be surprising (in a way that PM=LHO wouldn't have been, given that Mr. Oswald was an employee who claimed to have gone outside to watch the P. Parade and who, unlike others, did not give a location in the doorway other than the Prayer Man location).

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Where do the PrayerMan people want to take this? Do they want to argue that the Sixth Floor Museum copy was altered between 2013 and whenever it was made viewable to visitors?

Or do they want to put upper clothing on Mr. Oswald that would be compatible with what we see in the 'new' Darnell frame? Because a white tshirt or Mr. Oswald's reddish shirt with white tshirt underneath just ain't going to (so to speak) cut it.

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I honestly fear those PrayerMan advocates who are pretending the problem posed by this 'new' Darnell frame doesn't exist are making a bad mistake. They are doing what they believe the AltgensDoorwayman advocates did for so long: doubling down dogmatically on only ONE possible solution to the question of Mr. Oswald's doorway location, and thereby missing a more viable solution to that question. They need to stop acting like the Hosty draft report has Mr. Oswald stating he "went outside to watch the P. Parade and stood over by the west wall of the front entrance".

I was a strong supporter of the PM=LHO claim, but not any more. The evidence now points away from it.

However! The evidence continues to support the claim (Mr. Oswald's own) that he went outside to watch the P. Parade.

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Furthermore! Those who either pretend, absurdly, that the shadow down Mr. Lovelady in Wiegman is due to a turn in his body or (just as absurdly) due to natural shadow---------------------



-----------------------or concede that they cannot explain this shadow but refuse to accept that this anomaly may be highly significant---------------are in a sad state of denial IMHO................

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I ask the PrayerMan advocates two things:

1. Can you explain the shadow down Mr. Lovelady in the Wiegman frame above?

2. If not, then could you please ask yourself a simple question: If Prayer Man is LHO, then why on earth would anyone have seen a need to put a shadow down Lovelady in Wiegman?

Wake up!

 

[John Iacoletti]

You can determine gender from an alleged “neck cut”?

[Alan Ford]

You can determine gender from an alleged “neck cut”?

Not many men wearing this kind of deal in Dallas '63:



And, unless something in PrayerMan's hand(s) is creating the illusion of a scoop neck, it's hard seeing this as a sleeves-rolled-up men's shirt with the first button or two (or three) open........

[Alan Ford]

Kelly says he was at the 10:30 interview on Saturday, Nov. 23rd. Those he states present were Bookhout, Fritz, US Marshall Robert Nash, Secret Service agents Grant and Sorrels, and Boyd and Hall.

    "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him.
     He described one of them as ‘Junior’, a colored boy, and the other was
     a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread,
     fruit, and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he
     went to work."

Bookhout, at the same interview, wrote:

    "OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in
     the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but
     recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room
     during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was
     called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he
     could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."

The part of Capt. Fritz's report dealing with the Saturday morning interview stated Oswald:

    "said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him.
     One of them was called ‘Junior’ and the other one was a little short
     man whose name he did not know. He said he had a cheese sandwich
     and some fruit and that was the only package he had brought with him
     to work and denied he had brought the long package described by
     Mr. Frazier and his sister."

Exactly---------------putting these reports side by side lets us see what happened: Insp. Kelley & Captain Fritz embellished (or being MOST charitable, misconstrued) Mr. Oswald's recollection of eating alone but seeing Messrs. Norman & Jarman walking through into a claim of actually eating lunch with them.

And, of course, none of them have Mr. Oswald putting himself in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade

 

[Alan Ford]

Ms. Arnold is placed in the doorway by Mr. Shelley in an FBI interview. When she was asked about her reported sighting of Mr. Oswald behind the doorway years later, she got awful defensive. She may have left the group out by the street at the last minute (being heavily pregnant and wanting to get out of the sunlight) and, on her way into the entranceway, noticed Mr. Oswald just behind the glass door (just before he came outside). The FBI might have screwed with the timeframe on what she told them (as well of course as suppressing her earlier sighting of Mr. Oswald in the lunchroom several minutes before the motorcade).

From the Shelley FBI report 3/18/64:



 

[Walt Cakebread]

Kelly says he was at the 10:30 interview on Saturday, Nov. 23rd. Those he states present were Bookhout, Fritz, US Marshall Robert Nash, Secret Service agents Grant and Sorrels, and Boyd and Hall.

    "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him.
     He described one of them as ‘Junior’, a colored boy, and the other was
     a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread,
     fruit, and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he
     went to work."

Bookhout, at the same interview, wrote:

    "OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in
     the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but
     recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room
     during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was
     called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he
     could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."

The part of Capt. Fritz's report dealing with the Saturday morning interview stated Oswald:

    "said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him.
     One of them was called ‘Junior’ and the other one was a little short
     man whose name he did not know. He said he had a cheese sandwich
     and some fruit and that was the only package he had brought with him
     to work and denied he had brought the long package described by
     Mr. Frazier and his sister."

On Saturday 11/23 /63  in his report DL 89-43 FBI agent James Bookhout, said that .....

 "OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in
     the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but
     recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room
     during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was
     called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he
     could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."

At this 10:30 Saturday morning interrogation Thomas Kelley was present.....And the primary reason that Fritz wanted to interrogate Lee Oswald is because he had learned that Lee had got off the bus and caught a taxi to his rooming house in Oak Cliff....and he wanted to hear what Lee had to say about that...  Lee said that yes, it was true that he had got off the bus and took a taxi to is room at 1026 N. Beckley .He told Fritz that he paid a fare of 85 cents .....   THAT taxi ride  was the primary reason for the 10:30 session....

Sooooo... Both Bookhou,t and Kelley, reported that Lee told Fritz that his fare was 85 cents...  William Whaley testified that the man he transported to Oakcliff BEFORE the assassination ( He said the man entered his  taxi at 12:30 ) paid a fare of 95 cents.   

Lee Oswald was NOT Whaley's passenger.

[Zeon Mason]

Any possibility that this white ring effect in this newer Darnell  version of PM is due to the white  T-shirt showing thru a brown shirt not fully buttoned at the neck?

I  asked the ? Why the conspirators didn’t blacken out PM and answered my own ? by suggesting that at the time the image was so obscured already they didn’t think it was any possible proof of Oswald out front.

Since Mr. Ford as pointed out , the shadow anomaly on Lovelady has not yet been adequately explained (nor replicated via experiment) and so as CTs we of course suspect purposeful obfuscation of this area for some reason.

I thought we had arrived at the CT reason for  the anomalous shadow on Lovelady  due to a necessity to hide the right ARM of Lovelady because his sleeves were not rolled up.

This was supposedly  to cover for the early quick alteration of the Altgens photo 6 (Cronkite version) trying to make it appear that a raised forearm belonged to Lewis, the black man at the bottom of the steps NW side. The shirt sleeve appears rolled up.

However after this quick alteration, they realized they made a glaring mistake , because Lewis sleeve was NOT rolled up AND there was still the anomaly of a horizontal dark object ( looking much like a bottle )

So the 2nd correction to Altgens photo was to make the raised arm and the dark horizontal slash (bottle) disappear entirely by graphing in texture of Loveladys shirt sleeve so as to make it appear as Loveladys right arm .

But the conspirators made one more error which is that Loveladys arm has no hand at the end of the shirt sleeve AND the shirt sleeve appears to be extend IN FRONT of part of Lewis face which is another anomaly because Lovelady was BEHIND Lewis several desk steps back.