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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2040 on: February 15, 2023, 02:45:04 AM »
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For  what reason would conspirators need to paste one black man over top of another black man?

Theres an inconsistency with red shirt man in Hughes film when he’s holding up his hand (holding the speculative bottle) : His sleeves appear covering his forearm. In the Cronkite version Altgens , the arm holding bottle appears to have sleeves rolled up. The arm and hand are same light tone ( which is why it’s not the hand of the black guy ( Jones/Lewis).

Not even sure if the quick gesture being made by Red shirt man is a bottle brought to mouth. It could be just a salute to the POTUS.

The white shirt of Red Shirt Man  is extremely white which suggests the thicker long sleeve white shirt that Lovelady was wearing when he was caught on film
On the 6th floor having removed his red plaid flannel shirt.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2040 on: February 15, 2023, 02:45:04 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2041 on: February 15, 2023, 09:30:47 AM »
For  what reason would conspirators need to paste one black man over top of another black man?

As already explained, Mr. Mason, they mixed up Messrs. Lewis and Jones, and pasted in Mr. Jones' face because they needed something to take the place of the Coke bottle as it cuts across Mr. Lovelady's white tshirt:



Whatever portion of Mr. Lewis' face may have showed in the original Altgens, it didn't hide the bottle.

So:

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Theres an inconsistency with red shirt man in Hughes film when he’s holding up his hand (holding the speculative bottle) : His sleeves appear covering his forearm.

Only part of his forearm---------------as the hand is raised, the sleeve slips down a little



Now, look very closely at the raised forearm in Cronkite:



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Not even sure if the quick gesture being made by Red shirt man is a bottle brought to mouth. It could be just a salute to the POTUS.

We catch a glimpse of the bottle, which isn't being gripped right down at its base



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The white shirt of Red Shirt Man  is extremely white which suggests the thicker long sleeve white shirt that Lovelady was wearing when he was caught on film
On the 6th floor having removed his red plaid flannel shirt.

Do you mean Reddish Shirt Man in Hughes?



If so, are you seriously suggesting this couldn't be Mr. Oswald's white tshirt?

And is the white tshirt on the man standing behind and up a few steps from Ms. Maddie Reese not white enough for Mr. Lovelady's tshirt?



As for the sixth floor footage, what "long sleeve white shirt" on Mr. Lovelady? You are confusing something in the background for Mr. Lovelady's right arm. Watch what happens when Mr. Lovelady turns:



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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2042 on: February 15, 2023, 09:58:26 AM »
Friends, this really isn't complicated.

Those who wish to claim that this is Mr. Lovelady in Hughes-------------



------------have literally nowhere left to go at this stage.

They would need to get 'Mr. Lovelady' from the Hughes position over to the Lovelady position in Bell, behind and up a few steps from Ms. Maddie Reese--------------



---------------in just a couple of seconds (=the time difference between end of Hughes clip & start of Bell clip).

That would mean that the very instant Hughes stops filming, 'Mr. Lovelady' performs an athletically urgent hop, skip and jump up to the Lovelady-in-Bell spot.

But not even that ridiculous scenario is open to the Lovelady=ReddishShirtManInHughes supporters. Because these Bell and Towner clips are synced (thanks to the brilliant work of Mr. Chris Davidson):



And a closer look at Towner (again, thanks to Mr. Davidson!) shows us the devastating fact:

Reddish Shirt Man in Hughes is still standing there, just behind the black man at the bottom of the steps




Checkmate.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2042 on: February 15, 2023, 09:58:26 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2043 on: February 15, 2023, 02:38:55 PM »
Mr. Lovelady cannot be seen in Hughes, as he is blocked from view by the girl on the pedestal. However, Hughes does show a figure in blue standing way back in the entranceway.




When we crosscheck this with Mr. Lovelady as seen from Bell's POV a couple seconds later, we see just what we'd expect to see behind and just to Mr. Lovelady's right (=our left): some blue---------------




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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2044 on: February 15, 2023, 03:04:24 PM »
So!

Two key things that for nearly six decades prevented Mr. Oswald's alibi from being firmly established:

1. The fact that Mr. Oswald's own claim to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade" was suppressed and not known to researchers (until 2019!):



2. The fact that both men on the left here-----------------Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald and Mr. Roy Edward Lewis------------------were all along mistakenly identified as Mr. Billy Nolan Lovelady and Mr. Carl Edward Jones:



Given that Mr. Oswald, standing in the entranceway with a Coke bottle in his hand, is rather unlikely to have shot Pres. Kennedy, the only meaningful LHO question now becomes:

Was Mr. Oswald knowingly involved in the assassination plot?

Decent and honest researchers can disagree on that question.

As for the Warren Gullibles, they have spent years of their lives chasing Mr. Oswald's ghost up on six-------------------



Imagine wasting all that time and energy defending a hoax! Truly, Oswald Derangement Syndrome is a pitiable condition..............

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2044 on: February 15, 2023, 03:04:24 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2045 on: February 15, 2023, 03:12:06 PM »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2046 on: February 15, 2023, 04:04:15 PM »
So!

Two key things that for nearly six decades prevented Mr. Oswald's alibi from being firmly established:

1. The fact that Mr. Oswald's own claim to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade" was suppressed and not known to researchers (until 2019!):



2. The fact that both men on the left here-----------------Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald and Mr. Roy Edward Lewis------------------were all along mistakenly identified as Mr. Billy Nolan Lovelady and Mr. Carl Edward Jones:



Given that Mr. Oswald, standing in the entranceway with a Coke bottle in his hand, is rather unlikely to have shot Pres. Kennedy, the only meaningful LHO question now becomes:

Was Mr. Oswald knowingly involved in the assassination plot?

Decent and honest researchers can disagree on that question.

As for the Warren Gullibles, they have spent years of their lives chasing Mr. Oswald's ghost up on six-------------------



Imagine wasting all that time and energy defending a hoax! Truly, Oswald Derangement Syndrome is a pitiable condition..............

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Oswald himself admitted to being in the building.  We don't even have to play the contrarian defense attorney game on that one (i.e. how do we know the DPD wasn't lying about what he said?) because he answered the question on camera in response to a question from the press.  Only someone touched in the head can believe they can make heads or tails of those fuzzy pictures.  And none of Oswald's co-workers ever indicated that he was on the street with them.  This is tin foil Bigfoot nonsense.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2047 on: February 15, 2023, 04:15:44 PM »
Oswald himself admitting to being in the building.  We don't even have to play the contrarian defense attorney game on that one (i.e. how do we know the DPD wasn't lying about what he said?) because he answered the question on camera in response to a question from the press.  Only someone touched in the head can believe they can make heads or tails of those fuzzy pictures.  And none of Oswald's co-workers ever indicated that he was on the street with them.  This is tin foil Bigfoot nonsense.

Oswald himself admitting to being in the building.

I know that Oswald said to reporters he worked in the building, but where and when exactly did he say he was in the building at the time of the shooting?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2047 on: February 15, 2023, 04:15:44 PM »