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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2136 on: February 22, 2023, 02:39:01 PM »
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But I think what we're really seeing here is a deliberate mix-up by FBI-----------------------one that created enough ambiguity to allow a certain impression to be given (both the short-sleeved shirt in the Feb photograph and Mr. Lovelady's 11/22 shirt may be described as "red" and "white vertical striped"), while leaving room to correct that impression should folks notice the problem.

And why would such a deliberate mix-up be contrived? Because the 'investigating' authorities didn't want to photograph Mr. Lovelady in his actual 11/22 shirt.

And why not? Because of Redshirt Man in Hughes



'But why didn't they just put a reddish long-sleeved shirt like LHO's on Lovelady for the photograph session? Problem solved, no?'

Actually, problem very much NOT solved.

Because if they do that, and explicitly equate the shirt Mr. Lovelady has on for the photograph session with the shirt he wore 11/22/63, then they are giving a dangerous hostage to fortune: at any time, a photograph or film of Mr. Lovelady on 11/22/63 could emerge into the public domain. And it would show a different shirt.

Which is exactly what did happen:



Note that FBI were aware of the existence of this film as early as 12/3/63...............

They did not want to photograph Mr. Lovelady in his actual 11/22/63 shirt: Hughes, with its image of Redshirt Man, was concerning enough in this regard, but a color photo or film could yet emerge showing Mr. Oswald's reddish shirt in the doorway at close quarters.

But nor could they photograph him in one resembling Mr. Oswald's reddish shirt: such a claim would be immediately falsified by the emergence into the public domain of an image of Mr. Lovelady from 11/22/63.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2137 on: February 22, 2023, 06:16:20 PM »
They did not want to photograph Mr. Lovelady in his actual 11/22/63 shirt: Hughes, with its image of Redshirt Man, was concerning enough in this regard, but a color photo or film could yet emerge showing Mr. Oswald's reddish shirt in the doorway at close quarters.

But nor could they photograph him in one resembling Mr. Oswald's reddish shirt: such a claim would be immediately falsified by the emergence into the public domain of an image of Mr. Lovelady from 11/22/63.

The early researchers who knew that something was off with the whole Lovelady Shirt business all made the same mistake of relating it to AltgensDoorwayman, and assuming that what the 'investigating' authorities were covering up was the fact that Altgens showed Mr. Oswald rather than Mr. Lovelady. This erroneous belief led them badly astray. However, it now turns out that they were a LOT closer to the truth of the matter than those clowns trying to put Mr. Oswald up on the sixth floor!

As for the Prayer Man folks, they were a LOT closer to the truth----------------not alone were they (like the LHO=AltgensDoorwayman folks) 100% correct as to the question 'In which part of the building was LHO?', they have been proven 50% correct in their identification of WHICH figure in the doorway he actually is:

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No, Prayer Person in Darnell is NOT Mr. Oswald.

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But yes, PrayerMAN in Wiegman IS Mr. Oswald-----------------for he is the same man IN THE SAME PLACE whom we see in his reddish shirt in Hughes, only here he's had artificial shadow added to hide his facial features:



Amazing to think that we've been looking at Mr. Oswald in Hughes for all these years and not realizing it!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2138 on: February 22, 2023, 06:36:14 PM »
The early researchers who knew that something was off with the whole Lovelady Shirt business all made the same mistake of relating it to AltgensDoorwayman, and assuming that what the 'investigating' authorities were covering up was the fact that Altgens showed Mr. Oswald rather than Mr. Lovelady. This erroneous belief led them badly astray. However, it now turns out that they were a LOT closer to the truth of the matter than those clowns trying to put Mr. Oswald up on the sixth floor!

As for the Prayer Man folks, they were a LOT closer to the truth----------------not alone were they (like the LHO=AltgensDoorwayman folks) 100% correct as to the question 'In which part of the building was LHO?', they have been proven 50% correct in their identification of WHICH figure in the doorway he actually is:

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No, Prayer Person in Darnell is NOT Mr. Oswald.

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But yes, PrayerMAN in Wiegman IS Mr. Oswald-----------------for he is the same man IN THE SAME PLACE whom we see in his reddish shirt in Hughes, only here he's had artificial shadow added to hide his facial features:



Amazing to think that we've been looking at Mr. Oswald in Hughes for all these years and not realizing it!

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Another way of thinking of this:

It has been established beyond any doubt that there are TWO men in red shirt over white tshirt standing in different parts of the west side of the doorway at the time of the motorcade:



Only one of these two men can be Mr. Billy Lovelady.

But which one?

Answer: The one whose facial features are NOT obscured in Wiegman through the addition of fake shadow:



And there is only one man whose facial features the authorities were desperate not to have show up in images of the doorway at the time of the assassination:

Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald------------------a manual worker in the Depository who said he wore this reddish shirt over his white tshirt that day:



[Credit for shirt photo: Mr. Pat Speer]

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2139 on: February 22, 2023, 06:45:00 PM »
And----------------by way of gratifying bonus-----------------Hughes even shows us the glass from the lower part of Mr. Oswald's Coca Cola bottle!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2140 on: February 22, 2023, 07:46:09 PM »
Speaking of bottles!

Here's an aftermath photo showing something interesting just beside where Mr. Oswald was at the time of the assassination:



We see two items----------------a bottle and some sort of light-colored small paper bag or wrapping:



Oh but look more closely!---------



What an odd shape for the mouth of a bottle! Gee, it's almost as if there's something on top of, or stuck into the mouth of, the bottle............

What on earth could it be?

Well, what was it again Mr. Oswald------------the man who was standing right by here at the time of the assassination; the man we see drinking from a bottle in Hughes; the man we see holding TWO items in his hands in Wiegman-----------said he had for lunch?

1. Apple
2. Cheese sandwich
3. Coca Cola


Hmmm, what might one wrap a sandwich in?
Hmmm, what might an apple look like after being eaten?
Hmmm, what might a Coca Cola bottle look like after the drink has being consumed?


Check! Check! Check!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2141 on: February 23, 2023, 03:45:25 AM »
So far the Red Shirt Man =Oswald  theory seems to be plausible.

No one has demonstrated  (yet) that a red shirt with such large black square grid pattern as Loveladys shirt , can appear seemingly so solid reddish brown as in Hughes film.

I’m going along with the theory so far because it does look like a bottle in the hand of Red Shirt Man (imo) in that enlarged GIF Mr.Ford posted from Hughes film.

Lovelady said  he also had gone to the 2nd floor and got a bottle of coke. The time he went up is not exactly known, but he said after he came back down and went to the Domino room, no one was in there. That’s when he then went outside to the front steps to join Sarah Stanton and Bill Shelley. ( Time approx 12;15)

Oswald was sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom
12:15-12:17 per Carolyn Arnold, and Oswald then went down to the Domino room and was there until at least 12:25 ( seeing Jarman and Norman returning into TSBD via rear loading dock door)

How is possible that Lovelady was able to buy a coke from the 2nd floor Lunchroom , and not be seen by any office women , including Mrs Reid, then Lovelady went down to the Domino room
 saw no one there, or anywhere else on the 1st floor , between 12:00 and 12:15? Lovelady then joined Sarah Stanton and Bill Shelley by 12:15.

Possibilities:
A.  Lovelady bought his coke between 11:50-12:00 therefore was not seen by office women, and he waited somewhere other than the 1st floor until about 12:14 , allowingJarman/Norman and any others to have vacated both the Domino room as well as the entire 1st floor.

B. Lovelady was coerced or it was “suggested” that he should say he bought a coke in order to help out the WC.

If A. Then Billy Lovelady had 29 minutes to consume the contents of his coke thus he is not likely to be the Red Shirt Man in Hughes taking a drink at about 12:29:30.

Oswald , however, probably bought his coke after 12:15 or even a little later, probably just after Carolyn Arnold saw him , and when she left the 2nd floor lunchroom (12:17).

So the probability is in favor of Red Shirt man being Oswald because only about 12 minutes have elapsed from time bottle was bought about 12:17 to when Oswald went out to the steps at 12:29. Therefore some % of liquid contents still left in the bottle , being finished off at time of Red Shirt Man (Hughes film ) as well as arm and bottle raised in Altgens ( Cronkite version) no. 6 photo.(12:30)

(Note: if Option B that Lovelady never bought a coke at all, then it’s even greater probability that Red Shirt Man in Hughes film must be Oswald.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2142 on: February 23, 2023, 12:05:00 PM »
So far the Red Shirt Man =Oswald  theory seems to be plausible.

No one has demonstrated  (yet) that a red shirt with such large black square grid pattern as Loveladys shirt , can appear seemingly so solid reddish brown as in Hughes film.

Which theme throws up a simpler explanation than the one I offered a few pages back for why the fake shadow in Wiegman had to start with Mr. Lovelady's right side rather than just with Mr. Oswald/PrayerMAN---------------the undoctored frames showed with painful clarity the pattern of Mr. Lovelady's shirt:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2143 on: February 23, 2023, 12:08:16 PM »
I’m going along with the theory so far because it does look like a bottle in the hand of Red Shirt Man (imo) in that enlarged GIF Mr.Ford posted from Hughes film.

That's just a delightful bonus, Mr. Mason----------------the PROOF that this is Mr. Oswald lies in the cross-referencing of Hughes-Bell-Towner, and the relating of this to Wiegman.

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