Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Sean Kneringer]

Are there any other unidentified witnesses of note besides Babushka Lady and Dark Complected Man?

[Zeon Mason]

If Oswald discarded the flag in the bag and continued walking EASTward then that would place him about the Houston/Elm intersection where the man is in the M film that seems to have approx same build and hair as Oswald .

But would not this make the ENTIRE Baker meeting Oswald scenario a total

Buell W. Frazier has stated he saw Oswald in this area of Houston and Elm st before Frazier went back into the TSBD, so how does Oswald ever meet the reporter Pierce Allman if Oswald had already departed the steps to discard his flag/bag?

Should we question Allmans credibility?

[Alan Ford]

[Reserved]

[Alan Ford]

No wonder Mr. Lovelady had to tell so many lies afterwards! He had been on the same team as Mr. Oswald-------which (as far as they had been given to understand) was Team Kennedy.

Pres. Kennedy was told to watch out for flags being waved in the Depository doorway by two guys in red shirts.

Thus!

1. Mr. Oswald did indeed bring curtain rods to work that morning: one for himself, another for Mr. Lovelady, to attach their flags to
2. Mr. Oswald, in custody, denied the curtain rods because they were a telltale element in what had really happened
3. At some point after the assassination, the two curtain rods were found in the Depository and tested for Mr. Oswald's fingerprints. Result: negative. It may be, however, that the one legible print was actually that of Mr. Lovelady. A dangerous set of prints to have on record....
4. So a DIFFERENT 'legible print' had to be 'found' and recorded on two curtain rods----------hence (at least in part) the ridiculous shenanigans in the Paine garage, where two curtain rods were 'discovered' and 'received' on-the-record by the WC; hence also the shenanigans with the two different versions of the crime lab form. They made sure that a non-dangerous legible print would be the one that went into the official record



Note the date here:

[Alan Ford]

Here is Mr. Bill Shelley:



Note how low his pants hang under the waist.
Note a second fact, not evident from the photograph: he has the distinguishing feature of having red hair (a fact revealed some years back by Mr. Buell Wesley Frazier).

Well, I believe this red-haired, low-hanging-trousered man caught in Hughes walking AWAY from the scene, carrying something in his arms as he crosses the Main/Houston intersection, may possibly be none other than Mr. Shelley in a casual jacket:

[Rick Plant]

Here is Mr. Bill Shelley:



Note how low his pants hang under the waist.
Note a second fact, not evident from the photograph: he has the distinguishing feature of having red hair (a fact revealed some years back by Mr. Buell Wesley Frazier).

Well, I believe this red-haired, low-hanging-trousered man caught in Hughes walking AWAY from the scene, carrying something in his arms as he crosses the Main/Houston intersection, may possibly be none other than Mr. Shelley in a casual jacket:

It's kind of hard to tell if this is indeed Shelley, because the face isn't really clear in the photos. The head shape does appear to be the same.   

[Alan Ford]

It's kind of hard to tell if this is indeed Shelley, because the face isn't really clear in the photos. The head shape does appear to be the same.

Not too many red-headed men in Dealey Plaza. And not too many folks walking with purpose away from the scene. I think the probability that this is Mr. Shelley is strong.

If it's him, then we can start with his same-day affidavit:



All true, except he's left out a little southwards excursion he took beyond the hot zone in order to dispose of whatever it is we see him carrying in Hughes.

Like Messrs. Oswald and Lovelady (and, one presumes, Truly), Mr. Shelley has cooperated in facilitating what he has understood to be a White House-approved staged incident (presented to him perhaps as an exercise to test SS response?). In the doorway for the motorcade, he hears the shots and is not perturbed. But when Ms. Gloria Calvery tells him out by the "corner of the park" that Pres. Kennedy was actually hit, he is stunned. With quick thinking (and perhaps after a quick exchange here with Mr. Oswald), he gets walking....... Having dumped whatever it is needs dumping, he returns to the building.

Mr. Lovelady, meanwhile, has had his horrible 'Calvery revelation' seconds after Mr. Shelley---------and at the front entrance.

The story Messrs. Shelley and Lovelady will tell about going west to the railroad yards will be a little fiction designed to cover the interval during which Mr. Shelley (and, perhaps, Mr. Lovelady elsewhere) was away from the scene.

Mr. Oswald, in custody, will mention Mr. Shelley's presence out front, but will say nothing to blow his or his own cover as participants in a non-lethal false-flag operation.

I believe Messrs Lovelady, Shelley, Truly and Oswald went into 11/22 entirely free of nefarious intent towards the person of, or foreknowledge of the attack on, Pres. Kennedy. It was Mr. Oswald's deep misfortune to be the one served up afterwards as the scapegoat-----for everything.

[Zeon Mason]

The simplest scenario is just Oswald bringing out the paper bag containing a provocative flag he intended to wave, at about 12:27, and then moving eastward off the steps to discard the flag and bag about 12:31,  after which Oswald continued walking eastward to the intersection of Houston and Elm where he stopped to observe the commotion of the officers grouped together. And where he was observed at about 12:33 by Buell W. Frazier. And which resulted in Oswald possibly being in the M film.

Shelley may have seen the flag and thought it imperative to get rid of such provocative item, that such item might draw criticism of the TSBD manager Roy Truly for having allowed such insult to the POTUS to be displayed at the front steps as the JFK limo passed by.

However , this would mean that Shelley and Truly were willing to let Oswald be railroaded knowing that he could not possibly be the 6th floor assassin.

The only rational that could be remotely constructed here for Shelley and Truly is that IF the flag was a Communist red flag , that they might consider that Oswald was deserving of being arrested and that Oswald was involved someway, and that since it was such an insult for a USMC veteran to have displayed such flag, that Oswald deserved whatever judgement would be decreed by the US government.