Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan J. Ford]

Lawyer Richard Dwyer speaks about Prayer Man.

Fred

Taking this informative & interesting presentation into consideration, just a brief follow up to legal counsel's comments regarding the wrongly accused taking note of Mr. Jarman & Mr. Norman reentering the building mere minutes before the motorcade's arrival. Mr. Dwyer's excellent points amid his exceptional style of delivery conveys to those of us willing to be honest/objective two key points:

(A) The wrongly accused cannot be upstairs at 12:25PM lurking in wait in the sixth floor southeast window in front of the building and yet witness the actions of two actual people who he accurately named reenter the building from the rear six stories below.

(B) With the tandem of Mr. Jarman & Mr. Norman in mind, neither man conveyed that the wrongly accused got on the elevator with them to ascend to an upper floor. Moreover, given Mr. Dougherty's testimony about returning to work at 12:30PM up on the sixth floor, he did not see the wrongly accused come up from the first-floor lunchroom via elevator and/or via the backstairs. So, since none of us believe in magic enough to suggest he magically teleported himself invisibly somehow from his actual position in the first floor lunchroom up to the staged sniper's nest, Mr. Hosty's revealing revelation is the lone option left for honest, objective researchers, at the very least, to take into consideration.

Back tomorrow good Lord willing to determine if someone has produced any other witness(es) that place Roy Truly taking the backstairs from off the first-floor during the immediate aftermath of the assassination.  Given the urgency to frame an innocent party amid a hastily contrived script,  it doesn't surprise that no other witness has been produced, and the only witness, Mr. Piper, only mentions another fellow w/Roy Truly, rather than an obvious uniformed dressed white-helmeted motorcycle policeman in loooong black boots. A rather telling revelation.

Outright lying about their exploits upon an otherwise Locked roof (from the inside) is rather telling as well. Roy Truly and Marrion Baker are full of it.  The wrongly accused didn't shoot anybody. Anybody.

[Jack Nessan]

Mr. Nessan,

First, my apologies for the initial spelling of your name in my previous post (respecting it prompted me to do some due-diligence and get it correct before addressing you here in that follow up post I promised yesterday).

Please take the time to actually watch & listen to Mr. Dwyer's astute presentation to gain some invaluable insights into this case. That said, here are a few things to address with an open mind as well:

*Only one witness, just one, places Roy Truly near the elevator & stairs on the first-floor that afternoon during the aftermath of the assassination. Unfortunately for the hastily contrived script about a mad dash upstairs to confront the wrongly accused, this lone single witness merely places Roy Truly in the company of a male figure (note not an obviously dressed uniformed white helmeted motorcycle officer in loooong black boots) ----->

Mr. BALL. You mentioned you saw Truly?
    Mr. PIPER. I don't know whether it was a policeman or FBI or who it was, but another fellow was with him.
    Mr. BALL And where were you?
    Mr. PIPER. Standing right there where they make coffee.
    Mr. BALL. What did they do?
    Mr. PIPER. He ran in and yelled, "Where is the elevator?" And I said, "I don't know, sir, Mr. Truly."
    They taken off and went on up the stairway and that's all I know about that.

What's worse is the timing element in Mr. Piper's account as he shares further within his testimony that his encounter with Roy Truly came several minutes after the assassination. The hastily contrived script falsely leads us to believe that a few minutes later the tandem of Roy Truly and Marrion Baker have already encountered the wrongly accused and subsequently are charging up the backstairs to reach floors 3, 4, and 5 via foot.

I'm open to anyone sharing here one more witness besides Mr. Piper who actually saw Roy Truly near the backstairs on the first floor during the immediate aftermath of the assassination...

Moving along now, both Roy Truly and Marrion Baker in their sworn testimony make claims about their exploits upon an otherwise locked roof (from the inside) ------>

Back in 12-15mins to share supporting documentation revealing their outright lie about their exploits upon that otherwise Locked roof...

Piper immediately identifies the man with Truly as a policeman.
Mr. Ball: Tell me what you heard.
Mr.Piper..... "I seen the people all running and in a few minutes someone came in the building, and I looked up and it was the bossman and a policeman or someone.

Mr. Ball: You mentioned you saw someone with Truly?
Mr. Piper: I don't know if it was a policeman or FBI or who it was, but there was another fellow with him.


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Wiseman---" I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch."

It was locked on the inside. Anyone on the inside could undo the lock open the door and go up onto the roof.


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No, that is all wrong. Officer Baker's statement matches LHO's about the 2nd floor encounter.
Baker:  . As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

Here is Oswald's final words on the subject. The statement, by Oswald himself, really calls into question the whole conspiracy theory.

Oswald: "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."

Notice LHO said "I went down"---meaning he was on a floor above the 2nd floor where the encounter took place. "I went down" --- so simple but very informative,

LHO: "I started to go out and see what it was all about"---- He is in the building not outside on the front steps

 After firing the rifle, his rifle, "he went downstairs" where he encountered Truly and Baker on the second floor. He never was outside other than when he was fleeing the building.

[Alan J. Ford]

my responses in italics ---->

Piper immediately identifies the man with Truly as a policeman.
Mr. Ball: Tell me what you heard.
Mr.Piper..... "I seen the people all running and in a few minutes someone came in the building, and I looked up and it was the bossman and a policeman or someone.

Greetings there, Mr. Nessan

Appreciate your timely response. However,  In your quote above, you do realize a few minutes is much later than the 90 secs the hastily contrived script wishes us to believe?

Also, Mr. Piper wouldn't describe a uniformed dressed white helmeted motorcycle officer as someone working with the FBI. Major difference between a well dressed FBI agent and a white helmeted motorcycle officer in long black boots sir.

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Wiseman---" I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch."

It was locked on the inside. Anyone on the inside could undo the lock open the door and go up onto the roof.

You're right about that if they had a key. However, lest any of us forget the lying tandem of Roy Truly & Marrion Baker per their own testimonies claim to be upon that otherwise Locked roof minutes before Mr. Wiseman discovered it Locked from the inside. So, How did Roy Truly & Marrion Baker access that otherwise Locked roof (from the inside). Even if the answer is Roy Truly had a key, there's not enough magic even in Disney World to convince critical-thinkers that Roy Truly was magical enough to lock it from the other side. Let alone magically unlock it when it was time to end their phantom exploits upon that otherwise Locked roof (from the inside).

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No, that is all wrong. Officer Baker's statement matches LHO's about the 2nd floor encounter.
Baker:  . As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

Please read Baker's initial first day affidavit (will post it here for you over the next 12-15 minutes or so (please note precisely where the encounter takes place before the hastily contrived script rears its deceiving, misleading head.

Here is Oswald's final words on the subject. The statement, by Oswald himself, really calls into question the whole conspiracy theory.

Oswald: "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."

Amid a hastily contrived script to sell to a then trusting, somewhat naive general public, we may never know precisely what the wrongly accused actually said and/or in which ordered sequence, but I do appreciate you sharing what you have learnt to date.


Notice LHO said "I went down"---meaning he was on a floor above the 2nd floor where the encounter took place. "I went down" --- so simple but very informative,

LHO: "I started to go out and see what it was all about"---- He is in the building not outside on the front steps

 After firing the rifle, his rifle, "he went downstairs" where he encountered Truly and Baker on the second floor. He never was outside other than when he was fleeing the building.

Be wary of anything the lying rooftop tandem of Roy Truly & Marrion Baker say after Baker's initial same day affidavit. Off to fetch and produce Baker's same affidavit for your review.

[Martin Weidmann]

No, that is all wrong. Officer Baker's statement matches LHO's about the 2nd floor encounter.
Baker:  . As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

Here is Oswald's final words on the subject. The statement, by Oswald himself, really calls into question the whole conspiracy theory.

Oswald: "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."

Notice LHO said "I went down"---meaning he was on a floor above the 2nd floor where the encounter took place. "I went down" --- so simple but very informative,

LHO: "I started to go out and see what it was all about"---- He is in the building not outside on the front steps

After firing the rifle, his rifle, "he went downstairs" where he encountered Truly and Baker on the second floor. He never was outside other than when he was fleeing the building.

Officer Baker's statement matches LHO's about the 2nd floor encounter.

No it doesn't. If you put value on what Oswald allegedly said, according to Holmes, you have to conclude that Baker stopped Oswald "just before I [Oswald] got to the front door", which is no way near the lunchroom and even less near the 3rd or 4th floor. In fact the front door is on the other side of the building!

Notice LHO said "I went down"---meaning he was on a floor above the 2nd floor where the encounter took place. "I went down" --- so simple but very informative,

Actually, it isn't informative at all. You just want it to be.... The fact is that if Oswald went outside he would have to go down to the first floor level in order to leave the building. Using the stairs at the entrance of the building would be going down. You attached way too much value to a comment that is merely attributed to Oswald by a third party without even knowing for sure if Oswald actually used those words verbatim. That, in my book, is making up a story based on speculation and not fact.

After firing the rifle, his rifle, "he went downstairs" where he encountered Truly and Baker on the second floor. He never was outside other than when he was fleeing the building.

Which is exactly the conclusion you wanted to arrive on. It is however not a conclusion supported by the known facts.

[Alan J. Ford]

Appreciate your patience there, Mr. Nessan, am not on my own computer at the moment, so had to actually go web surfing to find Baker's same day affidavit ---->

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS

BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

Took the liberty of highlighting the points to ponder. Again, be wary of anything the lying rooftop tandem of Roy Truly and Marrion Baker say after this document. If you are honest as I suspect you are, Ask yourself How did an encounter outside of the lunchroom with an individual walking away from stairs now become amid a hastily contrived script about an encounter in a lunchroom? Please let that sink in a fair, objective manner sir.

Moreover, the wrongly accused, according to the authorities only weighed 131lbs on November 22, 1963, nowhere near 140lbs let alone 165.

Again, Mr. Nessan, be wary of the hastily contrived script that suddenly reared its falsehoods after Baker's same day affidavit. They willfully outright lied about their phantom exploits upon an otherwise Locked roof (from the inside). The wrongly accused didn't shoot anybody. Anybody.

[Alan J. Ford]

Officer Baker's statement matches LHO's about the 2nd floor encounter.

No it doesn't. If you put value on what Oswald allegedly said, according to Holmes, you have to conclude that Baker stopped Oswald "just before I [Oswald] got to the front door", which is no way near the lunchroom and even less near the 3rd or 4th floor. In fact the front door is on the other side of the building!

Notice LHO said "I went down"---meaning he was on a floor above the 2nd floor where the encounter took place. "I went down" --- so simple but very informative,

Actually, it isn't informative at all. You just want it to be.... The fact is that if Oswald went outside he would have to go down to the first floor level in order to leave the building. Using the stairs at the entrance of the building would be going down. You attached way too much value to a comment that is merely attributed to Oswald by a third party without even knowing for sure if Oswald actually used those words verbatim. That, in my book, is making up a story based on speculation and not fact.

After firing the rifle, his rifle, "he went downstairs" where he encountered Truly and Baker on the second floor. He never was outside other than when he was fleeing the building.

Which is exactly the conclusion you wanted to arrive on. It is however not a conclusion supported by the known facts.

A voice of reason amid keen discernment.

About as fair, objective a response as possible. Read this spot on post again and again, Mr. Nessan, and be wary of becoming mired in blind-folded tunnel-vision amid a self-serving hastily contrived script to frame an innocent party.

[Steve Barber]

 I can't believe that someone actually wrote a book "the exoneration of...". 

 Without the original Darnell film, no definite conclusions can be made that it is Oswald.  No one knows exactly what clothes O had on while at the TSBD that morning to make a positive claim of what he was wearing between the time the assassination took place and his arrest.  William Whaley said Oswald had on gray slacks when Oswald entered his cab.  Clearly, Oswald is not wearing gray pants in any of the photos or films taken of him during his arrest, and being paraded back and forth in fronts of the press at DPD headquarters.  Not one person who knew the anti-social Oswald through the experience of being snubbed by him when they would greet him on different occasions --or even Frazier who knew him personally--said they saw him during or after the assassination standing in the entrance way of the  building .  Had they, this would have instantly been an alibi for Oswald.  This, in itself, is proof that the puke wasn't standing in the entrance of the the TSBD in the Darnell footage.

[Alan J. Ford]

Lawyer Richard Dwyer speaks about Prayer Man.

Fred

Absolutely marvel at the courage of people who have the ability to encourage critical-thinking in others in spite of the challenges, not to mention their keen powers of discernment to shed light, truth & justice.

That said, legal-counsel Dwyer made an interesting comment in respect to the observations of Ms. Arnold (Carolyn). We are left to wonder how many other times those charged with "investigating" this matter changed the wording and timing in statements made by others.

The absolute truth always has a knack for standing all alone on its own, only lies need revisions, Especially amid a hastily contrived script to frame an innocent-party.