Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[John Iacoletti]

Givens originally told the FBI that he saw Oswald on the first floor in the domino room at 11:50.

[Dan O'meara]

Eddie Piper has him on the first floor at noon:

    Mr. BALL. Was that the last time you saw him?
    Mr. PIPER. Just at 12 o'clock.
    Mr. BALL. Where were you at 12 o'clock?
    Mr. PIPER. Down on the first floor.
    Mr. BALL. What was he doing?
    Mr. PIPER. Well, I said to him---"It's about lunch time. I believe I'll go have lunch." So, he says, "Yeah"---he mumbled something---I don't know whether he said he was going up or going out, so I got my sandwich off of the radiator and went on back to the first window of the first floor.

[Zeon Mason]

Imo, Oswald’s reason to speak to Piper at 12pm was to inform Piper that Oswald was going “out” . This in order that should Truly direct PIper to go find Oswald , would spare Piper wasting time searching floors and would inform Truly that Oswald was unavailable , having left the building

It would be unnecessary for Oswald to inform Piper of “going back up” , since Piper’s job is mainly to find employees  Inside the building as  directed by Truly. Piper, unless informed of departure from the building by an employee, would thus naturally search the floors on presumption the employee was still in the building.

If the “going out” statement is more probable one made by Oswald, then the reason Is likely to get his lunch either from inside the paper bag package Oswald put somewhere in the annex roofed part of loading dock or to go buy some lunch

Either way, between 12:01 ans 12:14, Oswald is not seen on the 1st floor.

At 12:15 approx , Oswald is seen sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom
By Carolyn Arnold

This suggests the following speculative timeline

12:01 Oswald has left TSBD to go “out” possibly to buy his lunch. The temperature is about 65 with wind gust up to 15mph , so if Oswald was acclimated to Texas 90 degree plus temperature , wearing his brown shirt and jacket to go outside is reasonably probable

12:10 Oswald is returning to TSBD with his lunch and from
some distance away, sees James Jarman and Harold Norman exiting back door of TSBD dock as they go around the NE corner of TSBD. They do not see Oswald however, as they are facing SE heading along Houston st.

12:12, Oswald enters TSBD and ascends to 2nd floor landing to check if the 2nd floor lunchroom is clear. He may have been seen by Sarah Stanton at this time carrying a Dr. Pepper ( vaguely remembered by a relative of Sarah  as a “Pepsi”) Oswald therefore went up the staircase to 3rd floor, waited a few more minutes , then came back down and saw the 2nd floor lunchroom clear

12:14 Oswald sits down at a table in the 2nd floor lunch room, and takes off both his jacket and brown shirt together , leaving shirt sleeves inside the jacket sleeves, as is very easy for slender person with oversize jacket and shirt to do. Jacket and shirt left therefore hanging on the back of the chair.

12:15 Oswald seen sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom , by Carolyn Arnold

[Zeon Mason]

How is the Zeon proposed timeline relevant to the statement   “went outside to watch the P. Parade?

In becomes relevant if the Mrs Reid encounter with Oswald in just a white T-shirt and carrying an unopened coke in hand is an encounter happening BEFORE Oswald meets Baker/Truly

If Oswald was in 2nd floor lunchroom
In just a T-shirt, having removed jacket and Brownshirt together , from
12:15 to 12:30, then it is probable he heard sirens going off about 10 secs post shots and more sirens added by 20 secs post shots. If Oswald had just bought a coke from the machine at the moment that sirens were heard, that might explain not immediately opening the bottle at the machine, and would also explain why Oswald went into the office in just his T-shirt and carrying the unopened bottle with him. Oswald was simply making a quick check of the office to ask about the sirens.

Contrary to Mrs Reid’s statement implying simultaneous opening of doors by herself (front) and Oswald (rear) , it is more probable that Oswald had already entered the office about 20 secs prior to Mrs Reid entering approx 50 sec post shots

Given Mrs Reid’s description of Mr Campbell leaving her and seeing people BEGINNING to fall, this would occur approx not later that 5 sec post shots as people can be seen in Z-film and Nix film  (Hudson, Newman’s etc)

Therefore , if Mrs Reid has left the curb on Elm st by 10 sec post shots, she could easily have made it back to the 2nd floor office front door by 50 to 60 sec post shots

An encounter with Oswald therefore as Oswald has already traversed about 75 ft (3/4ths) across the floor, would explain Oswald simply continuing forward and past Mrs Reid to exit the front office door approx 60 sec post shots

At this point,  60 secs post shots Oswald now has found the answer to why the sirens are still on going. This is when he decides to “go out to see what was happening in the P. Parade”

However. Before Oswald does this, he decides he should go back to the lunchroom to get his brown shirt and jacket. Thus, Oswald travels down the outer hallways (80ft) , passes thru  the vestibule going thru 2 doors, at approx 80-85 sec post shots. The opening anclosing of 2 doors with windows cause the flickering of light which was the stimulus that caught Bakers eye , and he moved over to see Oswald walking “away” in the lunchroom

Oswald was walking TOWARDs the table and chair that he left his jacket and shirt together hanging on back of chair, thus why he was walking “away” from Baker.

5 sec later approx, as Baker enters the lunchroom Oswald has

A. Put down the unopened coke he was carrying on a counter top or table , a necessary action in order to put on jacket and shirt . This neither Baker, nor Truly saw anything in Oswalds hands

B. The jacket and shirt has just been put on in 5 seconds as is possible for slender person like Oswald to do if jacket and shirt were oversized. This the perception by Baker if a jacket/ shirt “loosely” hanging.

Why did not Geneva Hines see Oswald the skeptic asks? Because Geneva Hone was in the room she finally was able to get into to look out a SE window at the motorcade. And that room was the SE corner 2nd floor women’s restroom

[Zeon Mason]

Therefore, if the reader has skipped thru Zion’s theoretical Alternative Teid encounter, the Conclusion is that the “went out to watch the P. parade” statement is not exactly what Oswald may have stated while being interrogated. It is also possible that Oswald DID actually mention an encounter with Mrs Reid describing a sequence similar to Zeon’s deductive timeline and this was purposely omitted by Fritz

[Alan Ford]

At this point,  60 secs post shots Oswald now has found the answer to why the sirens are still on going. This is when he decides to “go out to see what was happening in the P. Parade”

If you're going to peddle a fantasy, Mr Mason, don't put fake quote marks around it!

"Then went outside to watch P. Parade."

 

[Dan O'meara]

12:10 Oswald is returning to TSBD with his lunch and from
some distance away, sees James Jarman and Harold Norman exiting back door of TSBD dock as they go around the NE corner of TSBD. They do not see Oswald however, as they are facing SE heading along Houston st.

Where do you get the idea Jarman and Norman exited the 'back door' from?

[Rick Plant]

There are some commonsense assumptions here but I'd like to make a quick point about the white porcelain cup.

This Gif shows two images from Wiegman. It shows the white 'glowing' object being moved up and down. The first frame is the one that shows the object being held up to the face of prayer-blob, the second has the object in the lower position. In his WC testimony Bill Shelley states he went for lunch about 11:50am, went to his office on the first floor and ate part of his lunch then went out front, on the landing of the steps just outside the glass door because their were already some people outside, one of whom was Sarah Stanton.
How long does it take Shelley to get to his room and eat part of his lunch? 10 to 15 minutes seems fairly reasonable, which would mean Stanton is out there already by 12:00 to 12:05pm. The above Wiegman frames are taken seconds after the shooting around 12:30. It's just an opinion but I'm not convinced Stanton would still be drinking her coffee up to half an hour later. Maybe she liked it cold and made it last a long time. Maybe she went back up to the second floor lunchroom and came back down with a coffee just before the shooting.
Personally I have a different idea about the object in prayer-blob's hand but the images are so sketchy I find it impossible to be definitive.

 

More phony Sarah Stanton claims again.