Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[John Iacoletti]

The "we" can only refer to her work colleagues

All "We" has to mean is her and at least one other unspecified person.

She states that immediately after the shots there was pandemonium which is when they returned to the building.

Sorry, no.  She doesn't say that she returned to the building during the "pandemonium".

[Dan O'meara]

All "We" has to mean is her and at least one other unspecified person.

In her interview Westbrook refers to herself and her work colleagues collectively over and over again. Here are a handful of examples, there are many more:
"...and because it was towards the end of the parade we knew that we could go down a little bit close to the underpass...we could stand directly on the kerb and get a first-hand view."
"...the car kind of came a little bit closer to the kerb where we were standing."
"...we were waving and screaming and so excited."
"We were on the kerb here, and she was leaning over the President and pulling her hair out of her eyes as they were waving to us,"

She is clearly referring to herself and her work colleagues. It is unreasonable to assume otherwise.

Sorry, no.  She doesn't say that she returned to the building during the "pandemonium".

"...there was a quiet calm while the shots were fired and then, when everybody realised the shots were fired, the car sped on, then it erupted in pandemonium and everybody started running every place, so we came back to the building..."

We're definitely going to have to disagree on that.

[Alan J. Ford]

The roof door was locked from the inside and could only be opened by someone on the inside which is what they did.[/b]

My response: How do you explain away the fact that it was locked from the inside when Dallas Sheriff John Wiseman got there IF the lying rooftop tandem were really upon the roof as they said? There is no other explanation but they simply lied. It's that simple really.

Moreover, Baker further steps into his own horse manure (Oops) by sharing that he also saw Inspector Sawyer (at the same time he was suppose to be upon that otherwise locked roof w/Roy Truly. Inspector Sawyer merely spent from 12:34PM to 12:37PM on his sojourn into the building, up to the 4th floor via an elevator at the front entrance of the building and back down again. His words, Mr. Nessan, not mine. Do the math yourself sir: the lying rooftop tandem said they were upon the roof no more than 10 minutes. So, they want us to believe two impossibilities:

*(1) They magically Locked the roof from the inside while also stationed upon their lie (the roof); and, (2) Baker is so magical he says he encounters Inspector Sawyer while still upon that same lie 3x the amount of time the Inspector is anywhere for him to encounter.

My apologies for late response (originally posed to me way back upon the 30th page of this thread). Found myself sidetracked with a closer examination upon the Charles Mentesana film, where I believe I may have found the wrongly accused lingering around in Dealey Plaza for the 5-10 minutes he said he did w/Bill Shelley.

Should you make a response, here's fair warning sir, I won't be in to respond until next month. For now I will continue to study the Mentesana film ====>

where I'm paying close attention between the 39 sec to 45 sec mark. There's two gentlemen standing together on the lower right-hand side of the screen. Though one is wearing a suit like Bill Shelley, aside from his hairdo style, there's not much there to go on; but my main attention is upon the individual standing to his left wearing similar clothing as the wrongly accused when compared to the Texas Theatre images of his arrest.

Perhaps someone with the means to do so could reach out to Marina Oswald-Porter to share the Mentesana film with her... tp make a determination one way or the other given the man's peculiar mannerisms (hands on the hips posture etc). Meanwhile, I will be making every effort to freeze a few of the frames to match his head shape and rear hairline to the images of the wrongly accused as he is being escorted into DPD headquarters. 

Again, Mr. Nessan, the lying rooftop tandem lied about their exploits upon that otherwise locked roof ---->

COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT

Name of Compainant
Assassination Of President Kennedy

Offense
John Wiseman, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Department.

Date Nov 23, 1963

I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas when the President passed and the car went around the corner and a few more cars had passed when I heard a shot and I knew something had happened. I ran at once to the corner of Houston and Main Street and out into the street when the second and third shots ran out. I ran on across Houston Street, then across the park to where a policeman was having trouble with his motorcycle and I saw a man laying on the grass. This man laying on the grass said the shots came from the building and he was pointing to the old Sexton Building. I talked to Marilyn Sitzman, 202 S. Lancaster who said her boss, Abraham Zaprutes, RI 8 6071, had movies of the shooting. She said the shots came from that way and she pointed at the old Sexton Building. I ran at once to the Sexton Building and went in. I asks some woman how many doors lead out of the building and she said 4. I left the building and found some DPD patrolmen and we came back to the building. I ran up the stairs and the patrolman started trying to get more help to search the building. I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch. I stopped and started back down the stairs taking a quick look on each floor.

The lying rooftop tandem also lied about a phantom 2nd floor encounter w/the wrongly accused as well. If you do nothing else, Mr. Nessan, please read Baker's same day affidavit over and over again ---->

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

The wrongly accused merely weighed 130lbs, nowhere near 160; moreover, what part of walking away from a stairway has anything to do with inside the lunchroom?

[Dan O'meara]

Something I found interesting in the Karen Westbrook Scranton interview:
"Our offices were around the building and then there was a centre office building, a large bull-pen kind of office, on the second floor that was the office of the Texas Schoolbook Depository and they had a supervisor in there called Mrs Reid, And when we were milling around while the police had us locked in and so forth, we were milling around, Mrs Reid said that she - when everybody was walking and milling and so forth - that Lee came to the door with a Coke in his hand and said, "What's all the excitement about?", and Mrs Reid said she told him, "Oh my God, someone has shot the President."    29:21 - 29:57

In her CE 1381 Westbrook states she left her office about 1:30pm. So at some point in the hour between JFK being shot and Westbrook leaving the TSBD she heard Mrs Jeraldean Reid talking about her encounter with Oswald.
In her WC testimony Mrs Reid describes how she ran back into the building straight after the shooting and her interaction with Oswald. A reconstruction of her movements timed it as approximately two minutes between the end of the shooting and running into Oswald.

Considering prayer-blob is seen in Darnell approximately 30 seconds after the shooting I find it incredibly difficult to believe someone could get from that position, race up to the second floor lunchroom, buy a Coke then bump into Mrs Reid seconds later.

More evidence that prayer-blob is not Oswald 

[Dan O'meara]

Something I found interesting in the Karen Westbrook Scranton interview:
"Our offices were around the building and then there was a centre office building, a large bull-pen kind of office, on the second floor that was the office of the Texas Schoolbook Depository and they had a supervisor in there called Mrs Reid, And when we were milling around while the police had us locked in and so forth, we were milling around, Mrs Reid said that she - when everybody was walking and milling and so forth - that Lee came to the door with a Coke in his hand and said, "What's all the excitement about?", and Mrs Reid said she told him, "Oh my God, someone has shot the President."    29:21 - 29:57

In her CE 1381 Westbrook states she left her office about 1:30pm. So at some point in the hour between JFK being shot and Westbrook leaving the TSBD she heard Mrs Jeraldean Reid talking about her encounter with Oswald.
In her WC testimony Mrs Reid describes how she ran back into the building straight after the shooting and her interaction with Oswald. A reconstruction of her movements timed it as approximately two minutes between the end of the shooting and running into Oswald.

Considering prayer-blob is seen in Darnell approximately 30 seconds after the shooting I find it incredibly difficult to believe someone could get from that position, race up to the second floor lunchroom, buy a Coke then bump into Mrs Reid seconds later.

More evidence that prayer-blob is not Oswald 

There are two important aspects to Karen Westbrook Scranton's revelation concerning Mrs Reid in her "Living History" interview. Firstly, it corroborates Reid's version of meeting Oswald with a coke in his hand in the second floor office. Secondly, it is a first-hand eyewitness  account that this story was first told before Oswald was even arrested, let alone before Oswald confirmed the coke story in his interrogations. It can hardly be assumed that this story was being 'planted' before Oswald was arrested. It seems highly probable that Reid was being truthful in her account of this interaction with Oswald.
With this in mind let's take a closer look at Reid's version of events. In her WC testimony Reid states that she had her lunch in the second floor lunchroom, she was one of the last to leave, she went out front and stood on the steps for a few minutes then, when she saw the motorcade turning on to Houston, moved closer to the street, where O. C. Campbell and Roy Truly were standing. Within moments of the shots she ran up to her office where she had her encounter with Oswald. In a reconstruction of her movements she retraced and timed her steps three times, the upshot of which was a timing of approximately two minutes between the shots ending and meeting Oswald on the second floor. It can safely be assumed that, as Oswald was entering her office at the far end with a full bottle of Coke in his hand he had just come from the second floor lunchroom.
Pauline Sanders, in an FBI interview taken on the 11/24/63, states that on that very morning:

"she called Geraldine Reid...who told her that the police officer who first entered the building ran into the lunch room where Mr Truly...and Oswald were evidently lunching. The police officer put his gun into Oswald's stomach but Truly advised the police officer that Oswald worked for him. Police officer turned away and evidently left the area. She said according to Reid, Oswald went to the main office and Reid, although she had not observed the initial incident with the police officer, told Oswald that the President had been shot. According to Sanders, Mrs Reid claimed that Oswald just mumbled something and then left the office."

It must be remembered, these are not Reid's words, it is a third-hand account via Pauline Sanders and agents Basham and Anderson. It is clearly a version of the second floor encounter but it is stressed Reid "had not observed the initial incident with the police officer". I doubt Reid's version had Truly lunching with Oswald as she was stood outside with Truly at the time of the shooting. I also doubt that the officer would've come across the two men having lunch and decided to stick his gun in Oswald's stomach whilst accepting Truly's authority.

So it would appear we have a corroborated first-hand eye-witness account of Oswald being on the second floor seconds after the shooting which itself confirms, to a certain extent, the second floor lunchroom encounter with Oswald and Baker.
                                                     

[John Tonkovich]

There are two important aspects to Karen Westbrook Scranton's revelation concerning Mrs Reid in her "Living History" interview. Firstly, it corroborates Reid's version of meeting Oswald with a coke in his hand in the second floor office. Secondly, it is a first-hand eyewitness  account that this story was first told before Oswald was even arrested, let alone before Oswald confirmed the coke story in his interrogations. It can hardly be assumed that this story was being 'planted' before Oswald was arrested. It seems highly probable that Reid was being truthful in her account of this interaction with Oswald.
With this in mind let's take a closer look at Reid's version of events. In her WC testimony Reid states that she had her lunch in the second floor lunchroom, she was one of the last to leave, she went out front and stood on the steps for a few minutes then, when she saw the motorcade turning on to Houston, moved closer to the street, where O. C. Campbell and Roy Truly were standing. Within moments of the shots she ran up to her office where she had her encounter with Oswald. In a reconstruction of her movements she retraced and timed her steps three times, the upshot of which was a timing of approximately two minutes between the shots ending and meeting Oswald on the second floor. It can safely be assumed that, as Oswald was entering her office at the far end with a full bottle of Coke in his hand he had just come from the second floor lunchroom.
Pauline Sanders, in an FBI interview taken on the 11/24/63, states that on that very morning:

"she called Geraldine Reid...who told her that the police officer who first entered the building ran into the lunch room where Mr Truly...and Oswald were evidently lunching. The police officer put his gun into Oswald's stomach but Truly advised the police officer that Oswald worked for him. Police officer turned away and evidently left the area. She said according to Reid, Oswald went to the main office and Reid, although she had not observed the initial incident with the police officer, told Oswald that the President had been shot. According to Sanders, Mrs Reid claimed that Oswald just mumbled something and then left the office."

It must be remembered, these are not Reid's words, it is a third-hand account via Pauline Sanders and agents Basham and Anderson. It is clearly a version of the second floor encounter but it is stressed Reid "had not observed the initial incident with the police officer". I doubt Reid's version had Truly lunching with Oswald as she was stood outside with Truly at the time of the shooting. I also doubt that the officer would've come across the two men having lunch and decided to stick his gun in Oswald's stomach whilst accepting Truly's authority.

So it would appear we have a corroborated first-hand eye-witness account of Oswald being on the second floor seconds after the shooting which itself confirms, to a certain extent, the second floor lunchroom encounter with Oswald and Baker.
                                                     

Except that Baker, in his first day statement, says third or fourth floor on the stairway - which seems more damning of Oswald, i.e. closer to sixth floor. Why the change to second floor lunchroom?

[Dan O'meara]

Except that Baker, in his first day statement, says third or fourth floor on the stairway - which seems more damning of Oswald, i.e. closer to sixth floor. Why the change to second floor lunchroom?

What's this got to do with the corroboration of Reid's encounter with Oswald by Karen Westbrook Scranton. Reid was telling people about her encounter with Oswald minutes after the shooting and before Oswald was arrested. Reid witnessed Oswald on the second floor with a coke in his hand seconds after the shooting. It's got nothing to do with Baker. All it does is suggest Baker made a mistake about which floor.
It also implies that Oswald was coming from the second floor lunchroom at a time that fits perfectly with the Baker/Truly reconstruction of their encounter with Oswald.
The important thing, though, is that Westbrook Scranton provides corroboration of Reid's encounter with Oswald.

[John Tonkovich]

What's this got to do with the corroboration of Reid's encounter with Oswald by Karen Westbrook Scranton. Reid was telling people about her encounter with Oswald minutes after the shooting and before Oswald was arrested. Reid witnessed Oswald on the second floor with a coke in his hand seconds after the shooting. It's got nothing to do with Baker. All it does is suggest Baker made a mistake about which floor.
It also implies that Oswald was coming from the second floor lunchroom at a time that fits perfectly with the Baker/Truly reconstruction of their encounter with Oswald.
The important thing, though, is that Westbrook Scranton provides corroboration of Reid's encounter with Oswald.

Why is it that Baker was " mistaken" as to which floor he encountered Oswald on, but Reid is not " mistaken" in her account? ( Scranton's testimony is hearsay, by the way.)

And, again, moving the Oswald encounter down a few floors seems counterintuitive to the official story, i.e. the third or fourth floor is closer to the sniper's nest, therefore much more damning. The second floor lunchroom encounter is an odd fabrication - wish I could figure out its purpose.