Question about Dr. Donald Thomas’s Dictabelt Offset Hypothesis

[John Iacoletti]

Where are the links to the articles that show:

1.   KBOX – was making a broadcast from the motorcade at the time of the shooting.

2.   A recording (not a recreation) was made of this broadcast.


3.   And that this recording (again, not a recreation) was turned over to the Warren Commission.

Both Sam Pate and Karl King acknowledged this in comments made here:

http://www.reelradio.com/comment/comment.cgi?kbox112263~KBOX+Dallas,+November+22,+1963~../se/index.html

[Joe Elliott]

Where are the links to the articles that show:

1.   KBOX – was making a broadcast from the motorcade at the time of the shooting.

2.   A recording (not a recreation) was made of this broadcast.


3.   And that this recording (again, not a recreation) was turned over to the Warren Commission.

Both Sam Pate and Karl King acknowledged this in comments made here:

http://www.reelradio.com/comment/comment.cgi?kbox112263~KBOX+Dallas,+November+22,+1963~../se/index.html

No, they didn’t. I never said that KBOX was broadcasting nothing during that time. I said they were not with the motorcade, broadcasting live, when the assassination happened. So, their “broadcast of the assassination” was just relaying to their listeners the news as it came into them, the same as it was for all the other radio stations. So, it is difficult to see what relevance the original broadcast would be, since they were not broadcasting from Dealey Plaza.

Your own link shows that:

From: KARL KING kingalamo@aol.com Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 08:57:47

I was on the news desk at KBOX and at the half hour, I read a 30 second news break, and returned the air to the disk jocky. Sam came on the two way and very excitedly hollared "Karl, put me on, the police parade frequency is sayiing shots have been fired at the motorcade."

I signlaed the dj to kill the record he was playing and got on the air to introduce Sam with his report of shots being fired at the Presidents motorcade. I started the newsroom tape.

So, Sam Pate was not on the air, did not witness the shooting, but heard over the police frequency (I assume Channel 2) that shots had been fired at the motorcade. That is why he asked to be put on the air immediately. But he was not with the motorcade, it appears he saw nothing, it appears he first learned of the shooting from the police radio and then arranged for him to speak over the commercial radio.

Now Karl King does relate that the 24-hour tape containing the recordings disappeared. I don’t know why the Warren Commission or anyone else would destroy these recordings, since, not containing a live broadcast from Dealey Plaza, what relevance could they be?

I am speculating here, but suppose someone was supposed to start a fresh 24-hour tape every 24-hours. But forgot to do so. If that happened, would they confess their error? Or instead report that the tape had disappeared.


I didn’t find a first-hand report from Sam Pate about what was happening the first few seconds of hearing the news. But I did find this the following.

Another account, from a KBOX reporter who, I take it, was in a separate news van but near Sam Pate was Ron Jenkins. His account is shown below:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2013/11/22/rowlett-resident-covered-kennedy-assassination-for-kbox-am-radio/

Jenkins says he was in another mobile unit waiting for the motorcade to go through Dealey Plaza when a police buddy in front of him pulled back and yelled at him through the window.

“‘They got a problem up there somewhere,’” Jenkins said the police officer told him. “Shots had been fired. I said ‘What do you mean?’ [The officer] said someone had fired shots at the motorcade.”

So, again, reinforcing what Karl King said, the mobile units of KBOX were not broadcasting live as the assassination happened while observing from the freeway. Instead it appears the KBOX reporters first learned of the shooting from either the police radio or a policeman directly.


Wait, I see an email from Sam Pate himself:

I was on Stemmons Fwy when the radio and Sheriff Bill Decker said to get some men up into those railroad yards and find out where those shots came from. I immediately radioed Karl King that shots have been fired, put a bulletin on immediately. Karl did and then called UPI and according to UPI, we had beaten their own guy Merriman Smith to the story. There were no cell phones back then, tv cameramen didn't have audios. I was in the Northbound Lane faceing the southbound lanes and I was talking to a guy names Josh Dowdell who had pulled up behind me to see if I had car trouble. I told Josh, a friend of mine , to get in and wait for the motorcade..that was when Deckers report came on. After I radioed King, I peeled rubber toward the motorcade and when we met all of us were going about 80 miles per hour and I was heading right for them. I was afraid to veer oneway or another because they might also veer from their lane. Kennedy's car went right by my drivers side, the dark blue cadillac convertible went to my right and Johnson's light blue lincoln went far to my left and almost went off the freeway.

This confirms what I have heard before. No live broadcast from the motorcade, or Dealey Plaza, or even from the Stemmons Freeway. Sam Pate was not on the air, but was instead monitoring the police airways.

[Joe Elliott]

Wait a minute.  You are the one who described this "sirens that approach from the distance, get close, then receded away".  You haven't actually heard the recording?

Yes. I have heard the recording. John McAdams provides it, along with the transcript.

The sirens start softly and build up in volume. And then become went down in volume and could not be heard. The sirens were audible to me for only 36 seconds. And they are clearly loudest near the middle section. And then for the last 45 seconds, the sirens are no longer audible.

This fits with a recording being by a stationary motorcycle, with the motorcade passing by with the sirens blaring. Not with a motorcycle travelling with the motorcade.

[John Iacoletti]

Yes. I have heard the recording. John McAdams provides it, along with the transcript.

Where?

[never mind - just saw your comment in the "HSCA 1978 Acoustic Study by BBN – Figure 367" thread]

[John Iacoletti]

Reading through the reelradio comments again, there seems to be some dispute about exactly where Ron Jenkins was and whether he was broadcasting prior to when Pate came on. 

[Joe Elliott]

The sirens are a problem?! The motorcycle was at the Trade Mart?! Seriously? Yes, I know that's what the pro-WC websites you rely on tell you, but the sirens and the Trade Mart claims were debunked years ago. If the gunfire impulse patterns were not recorded in Dealey Plaza, then, Laurel and Hardy, you two finally, finally, finally need to get around to explaining how echo patterns unique to Dealey Plaza are contained in the dictabelt's gunshot impulse patterns, and how the N-waves, muzzle blasts, and muzzle-blast echoes of those gunshot impulse patterns were recorded in the correct order and interval on the dictabelt.

Again, using BBN’s Exhibit F-367, yes, the blast echo matches for shot 139.27 matches perfectly for a shot:

•   from the TSBD, recorded at microphone 2 ( 6 )
•   from the TSBD, recorded at microphone 2 ( 10 )
•   from the Grassy Knoll, recorded at microphone 3 ( 5 )

Yes, the blast echoes on the Dictabelt match perfectly with a shot fired in Dealey Plaza, regardless whether it was fired from the TSBD or the Grassy Knoll. Come on, the BBN’s own correlations contradict themselves.


No, what you need to explain is why the sirens on the Dictabelt recording only last 36 seconds. Did Officer McLain and the other escorting officers make the 3.4-mile trip to Parkland Hospital in 36 seconds? Or did it take 36 seconds for the for the limousine with the escorting motorcycles 36 seconds pass close by to the Trade Mart Center.

Question 1:

Why are the sirens on the Dictabelt recording only clearly audible for 36 seconds (my estimate)?


The person who continuously dodge simple questions is not the one with the truth on their side.


If you dispute this, others should check out the audio of the Dictabelt and decide for themselves:

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/capture24.ram

I think people notice that you were not too keen to present the audio when asked to do so.