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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #112 on: August 08, 2020, 05:18:03 AM »
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Nelly washed Connally's suit?



The white Arrow brand shirt, size 16 with a 35-inch sleeve, has faded over the years and the now-brown blood stains and spatters cover nearly all of it. There are bullet holes in the shirt's chest, back shoulder and right cuff. Three buttons are missing, presumably due to emergency medical responders ripping the garment away to reach Connelly's chest wound.
The damage to the three-button Oxford Clothes suit from John L. Ashe of Fort Worth is less pronounced.
Nellie Connally had it cleaned before it was presented to the state archives, Anderson said, so there's no evidence of blood. But the coat has bullet holes that match those on the shirt, plus a hole on the left leg just above and toward the inside of the knee.

https://www.cleveland.com/nation/2013/10/suit_worn_by_john_connally_on.html



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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #113 on: August 08, 2020, 05:25:07 AM »
Howard Brennan was an important eyewitness, on the same day not only did he give a fairly accurate identification of Oswald... 
Nonsense--Brennan did not identify Oswald. Quit making stuff up.

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #114 on: August 08, 2020, 05:28:17 AM »
No. I was talking about the shirt. From memory, I thought she had washed it. Freeman was, unsurprisingly & in true CTer fashion, playing it a little loose with what I had actually said.
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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #115 on: August 08, 2020, 05:45:39 AM »
Nonsense--Brennan did not identify Oswald. Quit making stuff up.

Huh? I said in the post you quoted that on the same day Brennan gave a "fairly accurate description" of Oswald(see below).
There was almost 50 windows in the depository on the side facing Elm street with many people including women and 3 black men and Brennan identified a slender white male in the exact window that had a sniper's nest with 3 shells. Also note that Oswald was 1 of only a few in the building who didn't have an alibi at the time.

He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm

Oswald's receding hairline visually added years to his life.



Oswald's face was slender and he's wearing what looks to be an oversized shirt which makes guessing an exact weigh problematic.



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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #116 on: August 08, 2020, 06:04:25 AM »
Huh? I said in the post you quoted that on the same day Brennan gave a "fairly accurate description" of Oswald(see below).
There was almost 50 windows in the depository on the side facing Elm street with many people including women and 3 black men and Brennan identified a slender white male in the exact window that had a sniper's nest with 3 shells. Also note that Oswald was 1 of only a few in the building who didn't have an alibi at the time.

He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm

Oswald's receding hairline visually added years to his life.



Oswald's face was slender and he's wearing what looks to be an oversized shirt which makes guessing an exact weigh problematic.



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Include his thick neck (which Delillo described as the size of a fullback's) and another few pounds.

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #117 on: August 08, 2020, 03:17:18 PM »
Below is a close-up of the slits in the front of JFK’s shirt. As you can plainly see, the slits are not the same shape and are not the same length.



If someone looks at this picture and says the slits are the same shape and length, they either have poor vision or they are being dishonest. It is that simple.

One of the Parkland nurses confirmed years ago that the nurses made those slits and the nick in the tie knot while they were hurriedly trying to cut away JFK’s clothing. And Dr. Carrico, who saw the throat wound before the shirt was removed, indicated twice that the wound was above the collar. Dr. McKnight:


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Dr. Charles J. Carrico was the first physician to examine the agonal Kennedy, whose breathing was spasmodic and his color cyanotic (bluish gray), symptoms associated with a terminal patient. Because time was critical the attending nurses took scalpels and cut off Kennedy’s clothes. In their haste to free the patient from his clothes one of the nurses nicked the tie and left two slits in his shirt collar. As Carrico explained to Specter the use of scalpels was “the usual practice” in a medical emergency of this nature. Allen Dulles, who accompanied Specter to Dallas, asked Carrico twice to show him the location of the hole in Kennedy’s anterior neck. The Parkland doctor responded on both occasions locating a point above the collar line. So Specter had unimpeachable first-hand testimony that would have persuaded any good faith investigation to have ruled out the Commission’s single-bullet explanation. (https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Bugliosi_Fails_to_Resuscitate_the_Single-Bullet_Theory.html)

This explains why the FBI lab found no metallic traces, not even copper, on the edges of the slits. It also explains why the throat wound was a small, neat puncture wound, about 3-5 mm in diameter, as we know from the Parkland doctors’ 11/22/63 treatment reports, from their WC testimony, and from their statements to private researchers.

Incidentally, Dr. John Ebersole, the radiologist at the autopsy, told the HSCA that when JFK’s body arrived at Bethesda, the tracheostomy incision was neatly sutured (HSCA deposition, 3/11/1978). This is not a bit surprising, since it makes sense that in preparing the body for the casket, one of the Parkland doctors or nurses would have sutured the tracheostomy incision, which would have only taken a minute or two to do.


You can get a slightly better look at the JFK shirt slits in Dr. McKnight’s enlargement of JFK’s collar:

https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/a/a5/Pict_essay_mcknightsbt_shirt_lrg.jpg
« Last Edit: August 08, 2020, 03:18:23 PM by Michael T. Griffith »

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #118 on: August 08, 2020, 06:00:24 PM »


The white Arrow brand shirt, size 16 with a 35-inch sleeve, has faded over the years and the now-brown blood stains and spatters cover nearly all of it. There are bullet holes in the shirt's chest, back shoulder and right cuff. Three buttons are missing, presumably due to emergency medical responders ripping the garment away to reach Connelly's chest wound.
The damage to the three-button Oxford Clothes suit from John L. Ashe of Fort Worth is less pronounced.
Nellie Connally had it cleaned before it was presented to the state archives, Anderson said, so there's no evidence of blood. But the coat has bullet holes that match those on the shirt, plus a hole on the left leg just above and toward the inside of the knee.

https://www.cleveland.com/nation/2013/10/suit_worn_by_john_connally_on.html



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The laundering of Connally's suit is pretty strange, considering we have Kennedy's coat intact.
Blood spray on Connally's coat would tell a lot.

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #119 on: August 08, 2020, 11:35:32 PM »
Below is a close-up of the slits in the front of JFK’s shirt. As you can plainly see, the slits are not the same shape and are not the same length.



If someone looks at this picture and says the slits are the same shape and length, they either have poor vision or they are being dishonest. It is that simple.

A typical dishonest CT tactic, find the worst copy available and present it as evidence. Naughty naughty!



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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #119 on: August 08, 2020, 11:35:32 PM »