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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #152 on: August 10, 2020, 01:47:24 AM »
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You can’t even quote Monty Python correctly. What a waste of oxygen.

You left out the important part.
To wit: My apologies to John Tonkovich and Jerry Freeman.
Can't ad-hom that, huh.
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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #153 on: August 10, 2020, 01:28:04 PM »
Thanks Jerry.

Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.

Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you notice any other wound on the President's body?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir.

And where did Bowron say that large hole was? Why did you leave out the question and answer that come immediately before this segment? Let us read what you omitted:

Mr. SPECTER. You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON. The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER. And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON. Well, it was very bad--you know. (6 H 136)

You omitted this because you did not want readers to know that the nurse who packed JFK's large head wound with gauze squares and who wrapped his head in a sheet said that the large wound was in the back of the head. It would be pretty silly and lame to suggest that after packing the wound with gauze and wrapping the head in a sheet, she would "mistake" a wound that was above and forward of the right ear for a wound that was in the back of the head.

As for Dr. Jones, he did not arrive until after JFK's clothing had been removed. By his own admission, he got to Trauma Room 1 "a few minutes" after Dr. Carrico, Nurse Bowron, Nurse Henchliffe, and Nurse Nelson had already arrived there (6 H 52-53). Jones did not see them remove the clothing because this had already been done by the time he arrived.

By the way, Jones said the throat wound was no more than 1/4 inch in diameter (6 H 53). He added that it was a "very small, smooth wound" and that therefore it looked like it could have been made by a bone fragment (6 H 54). But Jones never saw the throat wound's location in relation to the shirt collar because JFK's clothing had already been removed by the time he entered the room.

Jones did get a good look at the head wound, however. Guess where he said it was located? Let us read what he said:

Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe as precisely as you can the nature of the
head wound?
Dr. JONES. There was large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood. (6 H 53-54)

Regarding the "irregular" slits in the front of JFK's shirt (that was the WC's term for them) and Organ's silly claim that the slits are the same length, even the HSCA FPP said the slits are not the same length: the FPP said that the right slit is 1.5 cm long and that the left slit is 1.4 cm long (7 HSCA 89).

Concerning Dr. Jones' depiction of the throat wound's location in the video that Jerry Organ linked, he puts the wound well below where other doctors put it--he puts it at least 1 inch below the Adam's apple. But Dr. Perry said said it was "just below" the Adam's apple--which would be slightly above the collar. Dr. Carrico, as we've seen, pointed to a point just above his collar when asked where the throat wound was.

Moreover, if Dr. Jones' depiction is correct, there would be a hole through JFK's tie knot, but there is none--there is only small nick near the left edge that was made by one of the nurses as she rushed to cut off the tie. This is another huge problem for the SBT. You wanna push the wound down to the level of the tie knot? Okay, then there should be a hole through the tie, but there's only a tiny nick, and the nick is not even on the edge of the knot.

You guys can't get the bullet from the back wound to the throat wound without ignoring a pile of evidence to the contrary. You can't explain how a non-yawing/non-tumbling bullet could make two slits of unequal length while supposedly exiting the front of JFK's shirt. You can't explain how your magic bullet could have missed the tie knot. And you can't explain how any bullet of any type could have made the H-shaped tear in the front of Connally's shirt. You can't do these things because your SBT is a joke that was only cooked up in desperation by some WC lawyers who were not allowed to admit that there was more than one gunman.
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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #154 on: August 10, 2020, 03:22:59 PM »
And where did Bowron say that large hole was? Why did you leave out the question and answer that come immediately before this segment? Let us read what you omitted:

Mr. SPECTER. You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON. The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER. And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON. Well, it was very bad--you know. (6 H 136)

You omitted this because you did not want readers to know that the nurse who packed JFK's large head wound with gauze squares and who wrapped his head in a sheet said that the large wound was in the back of the head. It would be pretty silly and lame to suggest that after packing the wound with gauze and wrapping the head in a sheet, she would "mistake" a wound that was above and forward of the right ear for a wound that was in the back of the head.

As for Dr. Jones, he did not arrive until after JFK's clothing had been removed. By his own admission, he got to Trauma Room 1 "a few minutes" after Dr. Carrico, Nurse Bowron, Nurse Henchliffe, and Nurse Nelson had already arrived there (6 H 52-53). Jones did not see them remove the clothing because this had already been done by the time he arrived.

By the way, Jones said the throat wound was no more than 1/4 inch in diameter (6 H 53). He added that it was a "very small, smooth wound" and that therefore it looked like it could have been made by a bone fragment (6 H 54). But Jones never saw the throat wound's location in relation to the shirt collar because JFK's clothing had already been removed by the time he entered the room.

Jones did get a good look at the head wound, however. Guess where he said it was located? Let us read what he said:

Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe as precisely as you can the nature of the
head wound?
Dr. JONES. There was large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood. (6 H 53-54)

Regarding the "irregular" slits in the front of JFK's shirt (that was the WC's term for them) and Organ's silly claim that the slits are the same length, even the HSCA FPP said the slits are not the same length: the FPP said that the right slit is 1.5 cm long and that the left slit is 1.4 cm long (7 HSCA 89).

Concerning Dr. Jones' depiction of the throat wound's location in the video that Jerry Organ linked, he puts the wound well below where other doctors put it--he puts it at least 1 inch below the Adam's apple. But Dr. Perry said said it was "just below" the Adam's apple--which would be slightly above the collar. Dr. Carrico, as we've seen, pointed to a point just above his collar when asked where the throat wound was.

Moreover, if Dr. Jones' depiction is correct, there would be a hole through JFK's tie knot, but there is none--there is only small nick near the left edge that was made by one of the nurses as she rushed to cut off the tie. This is another huge problem for the SBT. You wanna push the wound down to the level of the tie knot? Okay, then there should be a hole through the tie, but there's only a tiny nick, and the nick is not even on the edge of the knot.

You guys can't get the bullet from the back wound to the throat wound without ignoring a pile of evidence to the contrary. You can't explain how a non-yawing/non-tumbling bullet could make two slits of unequal length while supposedly exiting the front of JFK's shirt. You can't explain how your magic bullet could have missed the tie knot. And you can't explain how any bullet of any type could have made the H-shaped tear in the front of Connally's shirt. You can't do these things because your SBT is a joke that was only cooked up in desperation by some WC lawyers who were not allowed to admit that there was more than one gunman.


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'Top, behind the forehead'

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #155 on: August 10, 2020, 06:13:11 PM »
UPDATE re suit or shirt

My apologies to Tonkoviich and Freeman: I just did a double-take on my claim of saying that Nellie washed his shirt I actually did say suit originally.

May a thousand camels f*rt in my general direction*

*Source: Monty Python
Do you understand why Connally's suit was laundered?
Hint: might have something to do with Connally's political future.

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #156 on: August 10, 2020, 07:30:47 PM »
Jackie:
'Top, behind the forehead'

Still waiting for the source of this alleged quote.

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #157 on: August 10, 2020, 10:41:11 PM »
Still waiting for the source of this alleged quote.

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #158 on: August 11, 2020, 01:09:24 AM »
Regarding the "irregular" slits in the front of JFK's shirt (that was the WC's term for them) and Organ's silly claim that the slits are the same length, even the HSCA FPP said the slits are not the same length: the FPP said that the right slit is 1.5 cm long and that the left slit is 1.4 cm long (7 HSCA 89).

The metric system can be difficult to understand but the difference between 1.4 cm and 1.5 cm is only 1mm which is 2/3 the thickness of a penny.



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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #159 on: August 11, 2020, 01:17:20 AM »
Do you understand why Connally's suit was laundered?
Hint: might have something to do with Connally's political future.

Do you know what "non-sequitur" means?

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #159 on: August 11, 2020, 01:17:20 AM »