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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #96 on: August 05, 2020, 12:03:51 AM »
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The absurdity of the single-bullet theory can be seen in the fact that the HSCA had to assume JFK was leaning far forward when the magic bullet hit him, in order to make their SBT trajectory work, but this assumption is demonstrably false.




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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #97 on: August 05, 2020, 01:29:56 PM »
The HSCA didn't say Kennedy's head had to be tilted forward to make the SBT work.

Oh, sheesh. We've already covered all this ground, but you just keep repeating claims that have long since been debunked. Again, for the zillioneth time, Canning ignored the HSCA FPP's placement of the wound and the FPP's trajectory for the bullet as it hit the back because he could not get them to work, as we'll see below. How many times does this have to be pointed out to you before you will acknowledge it?

And both Canning and the FPP ignored the fact:

* that the slits in the front of JFK's shirt were not bullet holes but were made by Parkland nurses as they hurriedly cut away JFK's clothing, as one of the nurses confirmed to Henry Hurt.

* that the slits in the front of JFK's shirt have no fabric missing from them and have the jagged edges typical of having been made by a sharp instrument, as Harold Weisberg discovered years ago, and as Dr. Mantik confirmed when he examined JFK's clothing at the National Archives.

* that there is no hole through the knot of JFK's tie, and that the small nick on the knot was not on the edge of the knot and was obviously made by a nurse hurriedly cutting off JFK's clothing at Parkland.

* that the back wound was actually at T3, as documented by the "verified" death certificate, the "verified" autopsy face sheet, Sibert and O'Neill's report on the autopsy, the FBI report on the autopsy, Rankin's observation on the back wound in the 1/27/64 WC executive session, wound diagrams drawn by witnesses for the HSCA and the ARRB, Clint Hill and Roy Kellerman's descriptions of the back wound, Dr. Ebersole's description of the wound, and the hard physical evidence of the clothing holes in the back of JFK's shirt and coat.

* that it is very unlikely that the alleged magic bullet would have begun to markedly tumble or yaw in the very short distance between Kennedy's throat and Connally's back after supposedly transiting Kennedy without even grazing bone but only having gone through soft tissue.

* that the H-shaped tear in the front of Connally's shirt, which tear includes two uneven parallel vertical tears, could not have been caused by CE 399, at least not on this planet.

And the FPP suppressed all the autopsy witness testimony that made it crystal clear that at the autopsy, the doctors were absolutely, positively certain that the back wound had no exit point because they could see the end of the wound tract and the probe pushing against the chest lining. Others at the autopsy could see this as well, as we now know.

Lipsey and Ebersole both confirmed that the autopsy doctors learned of the throat wound during the autopsy, not the next day as they later claimed, and Lipsey revealed that they attributed the throat wound to a fragment from the head shot because they had already established that the back wound had no exit point. Rankin's comment about the throat wound during the 1/27/64 WC executive session confirms Lipsey's account: Rankin mentioned that the "autopsy" said a head-shot fragment caused the throat wound. (Rankin was looking at the second draft of the autopsy report. We know from multiple sources that the first draft of the autopsy report did not attempt to explain the throat wound and said the back wound had no exit point. Only the third version of the autopsy report said the back-wound bullet made the throat wound.)

And surely you are not going to tell me that JFK is not leaning far forward in the lifelike diagram in F-46, are you?


The HSCA didn't say Kennedy's head had to be tilted forward to make the SBT work. They said: [SNIP]

The HSCA didn't say Kennedy's head had to be tilted forward to make the SBT work. Can you show us where the HSCA said Kennedy's head had to be literally tilted forward some-30° for the SBT to work?

I know what the HSCA FPP "said." They said, as you quoted, that all the trajectories on F-46 "could produce the autopsy findings"! Amazing! They all work! That is ludicrous. Just ludicrous. One of those trajectories goes upward from the horizontal plane from start to finish! There is no way such a trajectory could trace back to the sixth-floor window, no matter how far JFK leaned forward. How can you ignore such obvious facts?

The HSCA FPP didn't "say" that they had to ignore the amount of missing frontal bone in the skull x-rays to make their head-wound reconstruction "work," but that is exactly what they did. The HSCA FPP didn't "say" they had to ignore their best expert's placement of the Harper fragment to make their head-wound reconstruction "work," but that is exactly what they did.

The HSCA FPP did say that the small, neat entrance-like wound in the throat could have been made by an exiting high-velocity bullet that had not begun to tumble or yaw yet, but the alleged murder weapon was a low-velocity rifle, and Connally's back wound was made by a bullet that had begun to tumble or yaw.

Finally, I can't believe you would cite the HSCA's "final drawing" of the SBT trajectory. Are you kidding me? Did you happen to notice that in that diagram, the back wound is markedly above the throat wound? Heck, that drawing has the "throat" wound well below the throat! Did you not notice any of these things? Let's take a look:




And did you notice that in this diagram, the bullet is striking the back at a downward angle in relation to the body, whereas the FPP said that the back wound’s abrasion collar indicated that the bullet was traveling at a slightly upward trajectory in relation to the body when it hit the back? Said the FPP,

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The abrasion collar is larger at the lower margin of the wound, evidence that the bullet's trajectory at the instant of penetration was slightly upward in relation to the body. (7 HSCA 175)

You cannot square this with the "final drawing" of the SBT's mythical trajectory, and you know it. But I suspect you will keep seeing the emperor's new clothes.




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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #98 on: August 07, 2020, 01:39:47 PM »
You never see Warren Commission (WC) apologists talk about the fact that when Secret Service inspector Thomas Kelley first heard about the single-bullet theory, he called it “ridiculous.”

Nor do you ever see WC apologists talk about the fact that as late as April 1964, the autopsy doctors insisted that Connally must have been hit by two bullets because they said CE 399 was not deformed enough to have shattered the wrist bone, one of the hardest bones in the body.

WC staffer Melvin Eisenberg was tasked with determining the shooting sequence. Eisenberg held a conference with the autopsy doctors on April 14, 1964, to view the Zapruder film and to determine the order of the bullet hits. All three doctors—Humes, Boswell, and Finck—insisted that Connally was hit by two bullets because they said CE 399 could not have shattered Connally’s wrist bone without suffering significant deformity (a fact that the WC’s own ballistics tests later confirmed).

Dr. Gerald McKnight, a professor emeritus of history at Hood College in Maryland, discusses these revealing facts in his landmark book Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why:


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In an aside to Inspector Thomas Kelley, the Secret Service’s liaison with the Commission, one of the staff lawyers offered as “an outside possibility” that the first shot might have gone through JFK with sufficient velocity “to penetrate Connally’s body, wrist, and leg.” Kelley later confided to the FBI’s L.T. Gauthier that the idea was “ridiculous” and that a shot under those circumstances would have gone completely “wild.”

In April Eisenberg arranged for two sessions to determine which fames of the Zapruder movie captured the impact of the first and second bullets. He enlisted the support of medical doctors for both sessions. In the April 14 conference the three pathologists who had performed the autopsy, Humes, Boswell, and Finck, viewed Zapruder’s 8-mm movie and frames of the assassination for the first time.

Since Humes had written the official autopsy protocol, he more or less took the lead in this session. After viewing the Zapruder film and studying the slides, the Bethesda Navy doctor hypothesized that Connally had been hit by the first two shots. He thought that the first shot that had exited JFK’s throat had then passed through Connally’s chest, losing velocity in its flight, lodged itself in the governor’s clothing, and later appeared on his stretcher. The second bullet, a separate shot, according to Humes’s reconstruction, had hit Connally’s wrist with such impact that it shattered into fragments, one of those fragments causing the wound to the governor’s left thigh.

Just as they had testified before the Warren Commission a month earlier, Humes and the two other prosectors had not changed their opinion about Connally’s wrist wound. All three were convinced that the near-pristine CE 399 was not mutilated enough to have shattered the governor’s wrist bone. (Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why, University Press of Kansas, 2005, pp. 221)
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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #100 on: August 07, 2020, 04:31:53 PM »
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So that's your answer to the fact that, as late as April 1964, even the three autopsy doctors insisted that Connally's wrist must have been struck by a separate bullet because they knew that the wrist bone is one of the hardest bones in the body and that CE 399 could not have shattered that bone without incurring significant damage?

Does the fact that the WC's own ballistics tests confirmed this mean anything to you? Are you aware that the WC's top wound ballistics expert, Dr. Joseph Dolce, told the commission that the SBT was impossible and that his ballistics tests proved this?

Why do you suppose that Dr. Baden, chairman of the HSCA FPP, refused Dr. Wecht's request that the panel arrange to have ballistics tests done to determine whether a bullet could do all the damage attributed to CE 399 and still emerge in nearly pristine condition?

Why do you suppose Baden refused to call Dr. Dolce as a witness, even after Dr. Dolce said he wanted to testify? Could it be because Baden knew that Dolce was going to say that the SBT was fiction and that the WC had ignored its own ballistics tests?

How about the fact that the slits in the front of JFK's shirt are not the same length, that they have no fabric missing from them, and that no metallic traces were found on them? That's because they were not bullet holes but slits made by the nurses who hurriedly cut off Kennedy's clothing, as one of the nurses confirmed to Henry Hurt.


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« Reply #101 on: August 07, 2020, 05:16:36 PM »
Indeed a magic bullet, which caused slits rather than holes. Since when did a bullet cause slits?

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #102 on: August 07, 2020, 05:25:27 PM »
So that's your answer to the fact that, as late as April 1964, even the three autopsy doctors insisted that Connally's wrist must have been struck by a separate bullet because they knew that the wrist bone is one of the hardest bones in the body and that CE 399 could not have shattered that bone without incurring significant damage?

Does the fact that the WC's own ballistics tests confirmed this mean anything to you? Are you aware that the WC's top wound ballistics expert, Dr. Joseph Dolce, told the commission that the SBT was impossible and that his ballistics tests proved this?

Why do you suppose that Dr. Baden, chairman of the HSCA FPP, refused Dr. Wecht's request that the panel arrange to have ballistics tests done to determine whether a bullet could do all the damage attributed to CE 399 and still emerge in nearly pristine condition?

Why do you suppose Baden refused to call Dr. Dolce as a witness, even after Dr. Dolce said he wanted to testify? Could it be because Baden knew that Dolce was going to say that the SBT was fiction and that the WC had ignored its own ballistics tests?

How about the fact that the slits in the front of JFK's shirt are not the same length, that they have no fabric missing from them, and that no metallic traces were found on them? That's because they were not bullet holes but slits made by the nurses who hurriedly cut off Kennedy's clothing, as one of the nurses confirmed to Henry Hurt.


Again with the 'howaboutisms'

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Re: Getting Some Facts Straight About the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #103 on: August 07, 2020, 09:03:55 PM »
It's alleged that the holes in the shirt collar were made by a scalpel.

You actually think a nurse used a scalpel (as opposed to blunt-nosed scissors) to remove the President's clothing? ???

Sigh. . . .  Once again, yet again, once more you are repeating arguments that have long since been refuted. Yes, the nurses used scalpels. Dr. Carrico stated that this was "the usual practice" in an emergency, and one of the nurses who helped cut JFK's clothing confirmed to Henry Hurt that the nurses made those slits and the nick in the tie knot.

I notice you snipped out the point that the FBI found no traces of metallic residue around the slits.


Robert A. Frazier: "The hole in the front of the shirt does not have the round characteristic shape caused by a round bullet entering cloth. It is an irregular slit. It could have been caused by a round bullet, however, since the cloth could have torn in a long slitlike way as the bullet passed through it."

This is fairy tale material. How would a non-tumbling, non-yawing bullet produce two misaligned slits, slits that were not only different in shape but markedly different in length?! Really, how does that work down here on Earth? I mean, never mind that we know that no bullet exited the throat, or that we know that the throat wound was above the collar, or that we know that the throat wound was a small and neat puncture wound with the edges pushed inward. Never mind all that. But do explain how a supposedly non-tumbling, non-yawing bullet could not only make two slits that differed in shape and length?

The FBI lab report on the JFK's clothing, after noting that no metallic traces were found around the slits, said that the slits had the traits of an exit hole for a fragment:

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The first FBI laboratory reports on Kennedy’s clothes revealed that the holes in his coat and shirt submitted to both X-ray and spectrographic analysis showed traces of copper (bullet metal) around the edges of the holes. This was forensically consistent with JFK having been shot in the back with copper-jacketed ammunition. The same tests run on Kennedy’s collar and tie showed no bullet metal was found in the surrounding fabric. Rather than admit that the slits in the President’s collar and nick in his tie were not caused by an assassin’s bullet, the FBI lab report noted that the slits had the “characteristics of an exit hole for a bullet fragment.” (https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Bugliosi_Fails_to_Resuscitate_the_Single-Bullet_Theory.html)

Tell me: Why do you suppose the WC did not publish a picture of JFK's shirt collar? Hey? Because any person with decent vision can see that the slits on the collar do not align and that they differ substantially in length. Dr. McKnight:

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The reason the Commission did not include a picture of the shirt collar was that it dared not. The slit on the left-hand side of the shirt and collar was much longer than the slit on the right-hand side. To claim there was an alignment was patently untrue. . . .

The fact that the slits were not aligned destroys the Commission's contention that they were made by a bullet. Bullets make holes and not slits unless they are tumbling when they strike flesh or cloth. Carrico described Kennedy's anterior neck wound as "rather round and there were  no ragged edges or ostellic lacerations." (Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why, University Press of Kansas, 2005, p. 268)

I notice you snipped out the point that the FBI found no traces of metallic residue around the slits.

There is fabric missing in the holes

No, there is not. Notice that even Frazier did not say there was any fabric missing. Weisberg first noticed there is no fabric missing from the slits, and Dr. Mantik confirmed this fact when he examined the shirt at the National Archives.

I notice you snipped out the point that the FBI found no traces of metallic residue around the slits.


and they do line up. That's a thread extending upright from the righthand hole.

LOL! Are you blind? Or are you hoping that no one will actually look at the picture of the slits? Seriously? What on earth are you looking at that would lead you to claim that those slits "line up"? They're not even the same shape, much less the same length. This is nutty.

You get on public boards and you just repeating this goofy jibberish over and over again. I have no doubt that on other boards you have posted this same nonsense, and that other people have pointed out to you that anyone with two functioning eyes can see that the slits most certainly do not line up because they are not the same shape or length. But you'll never admit this.

Oh, and did I mention that you snipped out the point that the FBI found no traces of metallic residue around the slits?


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