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Offline Joe Elliott

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What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?
« on: July 11, 2020, 06:04:51 AM »
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The goat that was shot through the brain in the 1948 U. S. Army film reacted, that is started to move its legs, 40 milliseconds after the impact of the bullet.
 
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What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?


Let us limit our discussion to terrestrial mammals, of 50 or more pounds. And I’m not interested in the time it takes “to blink an eye”, but the time to start moving a leg, an arm, a limb.

Are there other such reaction times as fast as 40 milliseconds? If so, what triggers the reaction. Sight? Sound?

Are the fastest reaction times achieved in an animal a result of a bullet through the brain?

In anyone can find as fast, or a faster, reaction time, please provide a link to this information.

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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2020, 06:17:23 AM »
This is off topic.

JFK wasn't a animal. >:(

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2020, 06:19:24 AM »
This is off topic.

JFK wasn't a animal. >:(

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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2020, 07:41:02 AM »

This is off topic.

JFK wasn't a animal. >:(

Wrong. We are all animals.

But you dodge the question.

Can anyone come up with a reaction as fast as 40 milliseconds?

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2020, 12:59:26 PM »
This is off topic.

JFK wasn't a animal. >:(

The goat was

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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2020, 01:24:05 PM »
The goat that was shot through the brain in the 1948 U. S. Army film reacted, that is started to move its legs, 40 milliseconds after the impact of the bullet.
 
Question:

What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?


Let us limit our discussion to terrestrial mammals, of 50 or more pounds. And I’m not interested in the time it takes “to blink an eye”, but the time to start moving a leg, an arm, a limb.

Are there other such reaction times as fast as 40 milliseconds? If so, what triggers the reaction. Sight? Sound?

Are the fastest reaction times achieved in an animal a result of a bullet through the brain?

In anyone can find as fast, or a faster, reaction time, please provide a link to this information.

Gosh, how many times do people have to point out to you that JFK's headshot reaction looks nothing like the goat's reaction in the goat film? Kennedy's limbs don't splay after the headshot--his head starts to move backward first, and then his shoulders move backward, and then he goes limp. His arms never splay. A fraction of a second after bullet impact, he goes limp. Can you just not see this?

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Re: What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2020, 02:04:27 PM »
Gosh, how many times do people have to point out to you that JFK's headshot reaction looks nothing like the goat's reaction in the goat film? Kennedy's limbs don't splay after the headshot--his head starts to move backward first, and then his shoulders move backward, and then he goes limp. His arms never splay. A fraction of a second after bullet impact, he goes limp. Can you just not see this?

I read somewhere that Kennedy's feet were jammed so tightly under the jump seat in front of him that they had a hell of a time getting him out of the limo. IIRC, somebody said something about having to take at least one shoe off.

Seems like some sort of biomechanical reaction.
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Re: What is the Fastest Reaction Time in an Animal?
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2020, 06:18:37 PM »

Gosh, how many times do people have to point out to you that JFK's headshot reaction looks nothing like the goat's reaction in the goat film? Kennedy's limbs don't splay after the headshot--his head starts to move backward first, and then his shoulders move backward, and then he goes limp. His arms never splay. A fraction of a second after bullet impact, he goes limp. Can you just not see this?

Gosh, I’m afraid I can’t see that:



Clearly, the President’s body does not just go limp as a result of the head shot. Can you not see the right elbow raise several inches? That can only happen if a neuromuscular spasm, or, let’s call it, muscle movement, happened as a result of the bullet through the brain. Just like the goat, muscle movement was activated by the bullet through the brain.

Does not goat’s movement and the President’s movement look identical? Of course not. The goat was a quadruped, the President, a biped. Also, the President’s head was not clamped in place. But in the essentials the movement was the same. In both cases, it appears the stronger muscles won out over weaker. Hence, the President’s head moves backward, the back arches and moves the torso backward, and the arms rise up. As Dr. Lattimer pointed out long ago. And, I guess by sheer coincidence (you CTers love coincidences), in both cases the muscles were activated shortly afterwards, 40 to 70 milliseconds after the bullet impact.

Yes, the arms of the President do not splay. Goats and humans do have a different anatomy. Our forelimbs (arms) are not designed to help us gallop over the ground. Not anymore. But the stronger muscle in each pair of muscles in the arm moved the limb, just like the forelimb of the goat.

Question:

If the muscles of the goat’s legs and the President’s arms were not activated by the bullet through the brain, why do both move? Why would the President’s right elbow move several inches upwards against gravity?


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