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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1576 on: August 25, 2020, 05:10:11 AM »
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Richard Smith, learn from this:

Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman starkly laid out the disconnect between the stock market and the economy in a scathing op-ed

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The Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman broke down the broad disconnect between stock markets and the economy in a scathing New York Times op-ed article last week.

In the article, titled "Stocks Are Soaring. So Is Misery," Krugman said investor optimism about Big Tech's profits would not go far, as people can't survive on "rosy projections."
Using Apple's $2 trillion market valuation as an example, he said that as long as investors expect the tech giant to generate profits in the coming years, they "barely care" about the US economy's near-term prospects.

In a New York Times op-ed article on Thursday, the Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman explained what's driving the "disconnect between rising stocks and growing misery."

"The real economy, as opposed to the financial markets, is still in terrible shape," he wrote in the article, titled "Stocks Are Soaring. So Is Misery."

He said that "the truth is that stock prices have never been closely tied to the state of the economy," adding that they were disconnected from indicators such as jobs and economic output.

Wall Street's fixation on mega-cap tech stocks has pushed the weighting of the S&P 500's 10 biggest components to record highs.

As of July 31, those companies — including Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, and Alphabet — made up roughly 29% of the S&P 500, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing data from S&P Dow Jones Indices.

That represented the largest share in data going back 40 years, The Journal said.

Apple holds the greatest weight in the index, roughly 6.5%. Last week, the tech giant became the first US-listed company to hit a $2 trillion market capitalization.

Krugman said that the market values of tech companies had little to do with their profitability or the economy. "Instead," he said, "they're all about investor perceptions of the fairly distant future."

Apple's price-to-earnings ratio stands at about 33, suggesting that only about 3% of the value investors place on the company reflects the money they expect it to generate over the next year, Krugman said.

"The profits people expect Apple to make years from now loom especially large because, after all, where else are they going to put their money?" he wrote. "Yields on U.S. government bonds, for example, are well below the expected rate of inflation."

Read more: RBC says buy these 48 stocks spanning every industry that are poised to crush the market if Donald Trump wins reelection

He added that "as long as they expect Apple to be profitable years from now, they barely care what will happen to the U.S. economy over the next few quarters."

He said that Americans could retrieve only minimal income from capital gains and could not survive on "rosy projections."

"Unfortunately, ordinary Americans get very little of their income from capital gains, and can't live on rosy projections about their future prospects," he said.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1577 on: August 25, 2020, 05:28:57 AM »
A chronically dishonest poster here has taken issue with the statement that virus cases are falling.  There is no need to debate it.  Take a look at the NY Times webpage today.  They are reporting that new cases are down 17% in the last two weeks and deaths are down 3%.  That means that the number of cases is declining.

Wrong again, “Richard”. The rate of increase may be slowing down as people (other than ignorant Trump supporters) take the virus seriously, wear masks and social distance, but the number of cases is certainly not falling.

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Just like disputing that the market was hitting a record high.  It did.  That is simply a fact that anyone can confirm. 

Wrong again, “Richard”. First of all, the S&P 500 isn’t “the market”. Second of all, when you made the claim that the market was reaching record highs, that wasn’t even true of the S&P 500. It was just flat-out false.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1578 on: August 25, 2020, 05:35:11 AM »
I don't follow the logic of this.  People all over the world have died as a result of a novel China virus during this pandemic.  It's unclear what exactly any politician could have done differently.

Most of the other countries seemed to have figured it out.

Let me see if I understand this correctly though: good stuff that happens are Trump “accomplishments”. Bad stuff that happens is someone else’s fault. Yep, you’re brainwashed well.

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If we are going to start blaming politicians, then look to the numbers and figure out in which states the most deaths have occurred.  Those states are controlled by dems like Cuomo who not only failed to contain the virus but attempted to destroy the economy.

Wrong again, “Richard”. As I already pointed out and you ignored, look at Texas and Florida. New York has largely contained the virus.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1579 on: August 25, 2020, 05:37:27 AM »
I'm confused.  There are numerous JFK conspiracy theorists who are Trump haters.  In fact, they constitute the bulk of Trump hating posters =  Tom Scully, Dishonest John, Martin (Roger Collins), and Rick.

Wrong again, “Richard”. Martin and I are not “JFK conspiracy theorists”. You can’t get anything right.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1580 on: August 25, 2020, 05:43:55 AM »
Dealing with numbers and facts instead of subjective hate rage:  The NY Times is reporting today that the number of new cases over the last two weeks is down by 19%.  The stock market hit multiple records this week.  Back in March, Fauci and the CDC estimated there would be between 100-200K deaths with full mitigation efforts and a potential for as many as 1-2 million deaths without mitigation.  That means that between 100-200K people in the US were going to die from the virus regardless of what measures were taken.  We are at approximately 170K deaths which means the death toll has been kept within the parameters of full mitigation efforts.  And a vaccine is in the works.  Not bad. 

“Richard” is forgetting which president didn’t think any mitigation efforts were even necessary (other than touting ineffective dangerous quack treatments that he had a financial interest in. No, that genius thought it would all disappear “like a miracle” when the weather got warmer.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1581 on: August 25, 2020, 08:38:17 AM »
Richard Smith, learn from this:

Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman starkly laid out the disconnect between the stock market and the economy in a scathing op-ed

Paul Krugman.
Brendan McDermid/Reuters

The Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman broke down the broad disconnect between stock markets and the economy in a scathing New York Times op-ed article last week.

In the article, titled "Stocks Are Soaring. So Is Misery," Krugman said investor optimism about Big Tech's profits would not go far, as people can't survive on "rosy projections."
Using Apple's $2 trillion market valuation as an example, he said that as long as investors expect the tech giant to generate profits in the coming years, they "barely care" about the US economy's near-term prospects.

In a New York Times op-ed article on Thursday, the Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman explained what's driving the "disconnect between rising stocks and growing misery."

"The real economy, as opposed to the financial markets, is still in terrible shape," he wrote in the article, titled "Stocks Are Soaring. So Is Misery."

He said that "the truth is that stock prices have never been closely tied to the state of the economy," adding that they were disconnected from indicators such as jobs and economic output.

Wall Street's fixation on mega-cap tech stocks has pushed the weighting of the S&P 500's 10 biggest components to record highs.

As of July 31, those companies — including Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, and Alphabet — made up roughly 29% of the S&P 500, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing data from S&P Dow Jones Indices.

That represented the largest share in data going back 40 years, The Journal said.

Apple holds the greatest weight in the index, roughly 6.5%. Last week, the tech giant became the first US-listed company to hit a $2 trillion market capitalization.

Krugman said that the market values of tech companies had little to do with their profitability or the economy. "Instead," he said, "they're all about investor perceptions of the fairly distant future."

Apple's price-to-earnings ratio stands at about 33, suggesting that only about 3% of the value investors place on the company reflects the money they expect it to generate over the next year, Krugman said.

"The profits people expect Apple to make years from now loom especially large because, after all, where else are they going to put their money?" he wrote. "Yields on U.S. government bonds, for example, are well below the expected rate of inflation."

Read more: RBC says buy these 48 stocks spanning every industry that are poised to crush the market if Donald Trump wins reelection

He added that "as long as they expect Apple to be profitable years from now, they barely care what will happen to the U.S. economy over the next few quarters."

He said that Americans could retrieve only minimal income from capital gains and could not survive on "rosy projections."

"Unfortunately, ordinary Americans get very little of their income from capital gains, and can't live on rosy projections about their future prospects," he said.

Exactly Paul......economy can be weak when stock market is high.....they are not necessarily linked.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1582 on: August 25, 2020, 05:10:23 PM »
This denial would fit in with last night's Alternative Universe shenanigans at the RNC.

Just like this reply would fit perfectly in Dinsey's fairytale section, right next to the "Oswald did it alone" display.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1583 on: August 25, 2020, 10:11:50 PM »
I thought for a second that you said you had an idea.....

You know a funny idea is a clown(clowns are funny) who tries to use videos as evidence. haha ha You must be right. You abandoned the silly polls and now are creating your own sample. hahaha You must be right. ha ha ha You are trying so hard. You must be right. haha It is good to practice for next time, you have four years. Think about it, you wasted four years already but will you be disciplined and focused during the next four years? haha  History is the evidence and your history of predictioning is = .000 batting average = not good. hahahahaha

 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #1583 on: August 25, 2020, 10:11:50 PM »