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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2472 on: November 18, 2020, 09:17:30 PM »
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I read two of the articles. Want my ten minutes back. The Federalist, really? Do you not think we have any research skills..... Ben Domenech....gimme a break. Next time I suggest you synthesise something meaningful and present it. Rudy is desperate I hear. Anything the courts have accepted yet?

How’s Sweden going?

Our city just had first community transmission since mid April. So far 22 cases in four days. It was from leakage from quarantine hotel for expats returning. We have conservative state and federal government. Total lockdown for 6 days has just been announced. No schools and Universities open, only one person allowed out, once a day for essential travel. Masks compulsory outside. No bars or restaurant. No sporting activity. State border shut. Will let you know how the numbers go. USA is so far gone I wish you well. I am so thankful we had half reasonable leadership. Go hard and go early. When the going got tough in the USA your leadership went missing. You got a self confessed cheerleader instead.
Dr Crow:  I'm thinking 275,000 deaths by 1-20-2021 in the US. :(

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2473 on: November 18, 2020, 10:40:03 PM »
Dr Crow:  I'm thinking 275,000 deaths by 1-20-2021 in the US. :(

I think there is chance of at least 350,000.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2474 on: November 18, 2020, 10:47:29 PM »
I think there is chance of at least 350,000.
Just found out, 1700 US deaths yesterday.
I get it.
Paging Dr Atlas!

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2475 on: November 18, 2020, 11:39:39 PM »
Just found out, 1700 US deaths yesterday.
I get it.
Paging Dr Atlas!

I'm beginning to understand why Trump wanted to buy Greenland.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2476 on: November 18, 2020, 11:40:39 PM »

Those who still insist there is "no evidence" of voter fraud in this election need to explain the evidence discussed in the following articles:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/16/republicans-have-good-reason-not-to-trust-the-election-results/

https://spectator.org/pennsylvania-voting-doesnt-add-up/

https://spectator.org/trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit-fraud/

One can always find reasons for any election to be less than perfect.



As for COVID-19, how do you reason with people who argue that the transmission rate "doesn't matter"? You don't need any medical training to understand why the transmission rate of a virus is crucial information. How do you reason with such ignorance?

You think the transmission rate is down? I’ve looked at the rate at which people are coming down with COVID-19.

In the United States as a whole:

160,000 new cases each day. Before mid-October, our highest rate was 75,000 a day back in July.

But that’s not the bad news. The bad news is that this rate has been doubling every 2.5 to 3 weeks, since the last week in October. With the onset of cold weather. Particularly in the northern states.
The Dakotas and Wisconsin are close having their hospitals overwhelmed. And there might be 30% more sick next week, just from the people who now have it but don’t show any symptoms yet. It might be really bad throughout much of the United States by mid-December.

Question:

Who on this board said the transmission rate doesn’t matter?




How do you reason with people who abjectly refuse to confront the well-documented, easily verifiable fact that for ages 0-49, which is 2/3 of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a smaller risk of death than the common flu or the same risk of death as the common flu?

Ignoring these facts, and ignoring the fact that the death rate for ages 50-64 is below 2%, they continue to insist that these senseless one-size-fits-all lockdowns are the only way to combat the virus.

I agree with you on one point. The number of deaths to those of school year age seems to be roughly comparable to the number of deaths by flu, in a really bad flu year like 2016-2017. In the 2016-2017 flu season, 125 children between 5 and 18 died from the flu. This year, 93 children have died in the United States from COVID-19.

However, I do have one caveat. During 2016-2017, 125 children died. But 17,000 were hospitalized. If hospitals are overwhelmed, the number children who die could shoot up into the hundreds pretty easily.

The rest of the world, for the most part, keeps the schools open. I think this is the correct decision. Our children are too far behind the rest of the world as it is. I think schools should be open, despite the risks. There are big risks, even cost in lives, in the years to come, with closing the schools.

And what New York is doing, is insane. Closing the schools, but keeping open restaurants and gyms.


And for the claim that does under 50 years old don’t have a great risk of dying. Yes. But this is assuming the hospitals don’t get overwhelmed. Throughout much of the country they are getting close to that. And it could be a lot worse in two weeks, or next week.

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2477 on: November 19, 2020, 02:29:56 AM »
There is no question that the death rate increases dramatically with age, particularly over 65. Some under that age with certain conditions also are at greater risk. However the simplistic notion that you can somehow segregate the two groups from each other is virtually impossible. Just for aged care homes, try and propose a model that allows for care workers of younger ages to enter the facility to perform their duties that prevents entry of the virus? This is in an outside environment where the virus is simply running rampant. How do all those meaningfully employed over 65 become physically isolated from their employment? Face it, you couldn’t event protect your President from infection. Was Atlas in charge then?

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2478 on: November 19, 2020, 04:04:29 AM »
There is no question that the death rate increases dramatically with age, particularly over 65. Some under that age with certain conditions also are at greater risk. However the simplistic notion that you can somehow segregate the two groups from each other is virtually impossible. Just for aged care homes, try and propose a model that allows for care workers of younger ages to enter the facility to perform their duties that prevents entry of the virus? This is in an outside environment where the virus is simply running rampant. How do all those meaningfully employed over 65 become physically isolated from their employment? Face it, you couldn’t event protect your President from infection. Was Atlas in charge then?
He's been holding up the Heavens forever, or so he'd tell you.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2479 on: November 19, 2020, 06:15:50 AM »
Those who still insist there is "no evidence" of voter fraud in this election need to explain the evidence discussed in the following articles:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/16/republicans-have-good-reason-not-to-trust-the-election-results/

https://spectator.org/pennsylvania-voting-doesnt-add-up/

https://spectator.org/trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit-fraud/

As for COVID-19, how do you reason with people who argue that the transmission rate "doesn't matter"? You don't need any medical training to understand why the transmission rate of a virus is crucial information. How do you reason with such ignorance? How do you reason with people who abjectly refuse to confront the well-documented, easily verifiable fact that for ages 0-49, which is 2/3 of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a smaller risk of death than the common flu or the same risk of death as the common flu? Ignoring these facts, and ignoring the fact that the death rate for ages 50-64 is below 2%, they continue to insist that these senseless one-size-fits-all lockdowns are the only way to combat the virus.

 :D :D :D

Right wing hack sites don't count as credible information. Even Donald Trump's own lawyers had to admit AGAIN there is NO voter fraud which is why they keep having their bogus law suits thrown out by judges. Also, the DHS and Chris Krebs stated before Donald Trump fired him out of spite that there isn't one single shred of voter fraud.

Lockdowns work. States reopened and now we have a national health crisis on our hands. You have no clue what you're talking about. 

Trump Campaign Attorneys Admit ‘There Is No Evidence’ of ‘Any Fraud’ in Connection with Challenged Ballots in Bucks County, PA
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-attorneys-admit-there-is-no-evidence-of-any-fraud-in-connection-with-challenged-ballots-in-bucks-county-pa/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2479 on: November 19, 2020, 06:15:50 AM »