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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2472 on: November 16, 2020, 05:55:02 AM »
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2473 on: November 16, 2020, 12:02:00 PM »
Rick, as I see it the problems the US had were the following.

The virus essentially became politicised because you were facing a Presidential election. Trump, for all his failings, had a good chance of re-election and no obvious challenger had emerged by the new year. Trump saw the "economy" as a winner, using the DJI as the simplistic indicator for Joe Public, to prove his point. Everything in his thinking was to keep the Stock market buoyant.

The virus hit early in the new year, I believe in Washington State at first. Information at that time was sketchy, but it was obvious that Wuhan was having a serious health crisis. Unfortunately the US decided to develop their own testing kit. It was not effective early and so that caused serious issues. New York also had outbreaks, and we know the problems that caused.

Now we know that a significant number of people are asymptomatic spreaders. Also people can spread the virus for days presymtomatically. So you can see, community spread was out of control, with no real way of testing. The only way of diagnosis was via severe symptoms. The only experience with severe corona virus disease previously was with SARS, years before. That’s what many used to judge what to do but the characteristics of this virus are different.

Trump's focus was the "economy" ie. his re election. Every action taken was with that filter in place. He was the "cheerleader", not for the country, but for the DJI, his winning in November. Eventually he imposed the limited travel bans but it was too late, the virus was already spreading inside the country.

In my city we have not had a community spread case since April 14. Two days ago we had 4, today 17. We are fortunate enough to have the numbers of contact tracers to track those possibly in contact with them down. Our hospital system can cope at present. I fear for the toll on health workers and the health system in the US given the rapid growth in numbers recently.

Colin,

Donald Trump was always on track to losing the election. His approval ratings were always in the low to mid 40's and never reached 50 at any time during his illegitimate presidency. The 2018 midterm election was a determining factor of how Americans were dissatisfied with him and the GOP.

If you looked at the polls numbers from last October 2019 in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania they were pretty much accurate showing a generic Democratic candidate would defeat him by the same margin.

Donald Trump destroyed manufacturing with his bogus Chinese tariffs and trade war. Thousands of people were losing their jobs in those states as good American jobs were off shored to China. He promised new factories in those states and new jobs were supposed to be created. No factories were built or new jobs created. It was a lie to get people to vote for him. The people living there knew that and decided they weren't going to vote for him back then.     

Manufacturing entered into a recession last September 2019 and the United States entered into a recession in February before the pandemic was declared and emergency. So, it's his failed policies that destroyed the economy but the pandemic made it even worse.

Yes, Donald Trump only cared about the stock market and nothing else attempting to use Covid for his advantage. Like I said, he admitted that to Woodward on tape.     

The point is, that he knew about this pandemic back in November 2019 and was briefed several times in January. If he was a real leader, he would have been planning for a National emergency coordinating with Governors and health experts on getting testing kits, getting ready to lockdown, and making sure life saving equipment was ready to be distributed.

Instead he did nothing and let the virus take over America. Airlines restricted flights in mid January and a few days later, Donald Trump called for restrictions but flights were still coming in. So, his asinine claim he "saved millions of lives" is a joke. He spent the rest of time golfing and holding rallies and on Feb 28th attacked Democrats and called it a "hoax". The right wing media hacks echoed the same propaganda for the sheep.

Washington was having outbreaks and a top medical expert came on tv and said this is a dangerous pandemic which will alter the way we live. The next day the stock market sunk and Donald Trump went ballistic over it. That's when the propaganda started from him, his GOP Stooges and the right wing media. It was all about keeping the stock market inflated so he could claim the "economy was great" when it wasn't.

Two weeks later he finally declared a national emergency but didn't take any responsibility. He threw everything to the Governors to handle so he could blame them if things went wrong. Some states had lockdown while others didn't, and it was a half-assed operation where Governors had no equipment and had to do everything on their own.

Let's not forget Donald Trump shipped 17.8 tons of our medical equipment to China. He then blamed Obama for leaving him "nothing" when he sent it all to China. He also accused nurses and doctors of stealing the equipment for profit when they were forced to use diapers and trash bags as gowns. Many got Covid themselves because of him.

Then as we started to turn the corner on the pandemic, by finally seeing positive results with states in lockdowns, Donald Trump started demanding states to open prematurely before his task force requirements to safely reopen were even met. He wanted to boost the economy for his election and started tweeting for his thugs to LIBERATE. He then started the division and chaos where states did reopen too early and Covid never became under control to where it's worse now than in March.

The disaster happened because Donald Trump did nothing, states were not prepared, lockdowns happened too late and not long enough, right wingers refused to wear masks and follow the orders, and Donald Trump and his GOP thugs lying and pumping disinformation.

This virus never should have been politicized. This is a health crisis. If everybody worked together and had an effective plan we wouldn't have had the mass deaths and infections we have today. Also, we most likely would have resumed a normal way of life. This has been going on since March and it's worse now thanks to Republicans that did not care to save American lives.                                                 
       

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2474 on: November 16, 2020, 12:09:41 PM »
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Correct. The situation is a lot more serious than the daily death toll would indicate on the surface. We will see last month's sickness rate reflected in next month's death rate. And multiplied by a factor of two or three if the hospitals get saturated.

Hospitals are already being overwhelmed at the current rate. 1 million new cases were recorded in just this week up to 11 million total. Experts said in another week they expect over 200,000 cases a day. Hospitals will be maxed out at that rate, refrigerator trucks are being sent into cities to store the dead bodies, and these idiot morons on the right are screaming against lockdowns and claiming infections and deaths are declining.     

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2475 on: November 16, 2020, 01:17:23 PM »
I'm 99% certain that liberal news outlets are not going to mention this, so I will: The COVID-19 case death rate in the U.S. continues to drop. Two weeks ago, it was at 2.6%. Now, as of this morning, it is down to 2.3% (243K deaths/10.6 million cases). That means the average survival rate is up to 97.7%.

At one point during the lockdowns, the case death rate was at 5.67%. Gee, why is it that when states began to reopen and allowed people resume normal lives, the death rate almost immediately began to decrease? Maybe because forcing people to be cooped up at home for weeks is not the best way to deal with the virus?

And, Sweden's COVID-19 success story continues: While the U.S. has averaged about 800 deaths per day since August, Sweden has averaged about 4 deaths per day since August. If we adjust Sweden's numbers to our population size, that would equal about 130 deaths per day in Sweden, 82% lower than our average deaths per day.

But if Biden does take office, you can bet that the Democrats will continue to ignore fact and logic and will seek to impose their panic posture on the rest of us.

Again, the number of new COVID cases and deaths are NOT "dropping", they are drastically increasing.

We had 1 million new cases in 6 days this week. We have an average 1200 deaths per day.  Explain to me how that's "dropping" as you fraudulently claim.

If the number of cases were "dropping" as you fraudulently claim, then the numbers would barely be registering and states wouldn't be imposing new mask mandates and new lockdown orders. 

Your propaganda is a joke. When states had lockdowns, we saw a huge drop in deaths and infections. That's because infected people weren't spreading the virus to healthy people. Then Donald Trump demanded states to reopen prematurely before it was safe and we watched the numbers soar. Every state has reopened for the most part and we are now at the deadliest point during the pandemic because of it. So, what's your excuse for that? 

People were not "cooped up" during the lockdown. People could still go out and purchase essential items and order food.

New Zealand had strict lockdowns and they beat the virus so lockdowns work no matter the size of the population.

Sweden is a disaster with death and infections soaring. You continue to embarrass yourself posting nonsense as the United States is averaging 1200 deaths per day.

Biden will be taking office on January 20th because he won the election in a landslide.

Biden and Democrats listen to facts and science unlike right wingers who make up lies using disinformation to smear doctors and scientists.

Mandating masks to stop the spread of the virus and closing non essential businesses is not "panic", that's common sense logic which will save lives and help control the virus.

We tried it the Republican way and this is what we have.....a deadly disaster....that's why Donald Trump lost.

11,367,214 cases
251,901 deaths

That's what Donald Trump gave us.

On July 6th we had 3.3 million cases. 2 weeks later states began opening up and now we have 11.3 million cases. 8 million new cases because of what Michael T. Griffith is screaming about, no lockdowns with everything opened up. He has no clue what he's talking about.     
                     

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2476 on: November 16, 2020, 09:03:02 PM »
More great news today.  Another Trump vaccine that will be 95% effective.  And a record high Dow.   What a legacy Trump will be leaving while he takes a respite until 2024.   He has cured the virus, and returned the stock market to record high levels.   While sparing us four to eight years of Hillary.  If anyone deserves the Nobel Prize, it is certainly Trump.   Meanwhile leftist radicals are assaulting people on the streets, shutting down business while they party like it's 1999, vowing to raise taxes, crush the economy, and censoring the news in ways that Orwell never envisioned.  Script writers could not have set the stage any better for Trump 2024.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2477 on: November 16, 2020, 09:23:55 PM »
These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless.

Even if you want to believe that the case death rate has dropped so dramatically only because of therapeutics, that does not change the fact that it has dropped dramatically, that it poses a much lower risk of death than it did during the lockdowns. Therapeutics have certainly played a role in the last month or so, but therapeutics alone cannot explain the fact that the decrease began barely 2 weeks after states began to reopen.

Anyway, here are California's COVID-19 numbers as of this morning and broken down by age group:

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.15% and 0.25%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2478 on: November 16, 2020, 10:14:59 PM »
More great news today.  Another Trump vaccine that will be 95% effective.  And a record high Dow.   What a legacy Trump will be leaving while he takes a respite until 2024.   He has cured the virus, and returned the stock market to record high levels.   While sparing us four to eight years of Hillary.  If anyone deserves the Nobel Prize, it is certainly Trump.   Meanwhile leftist radicals are assaulting people on the streets, shutting down business while they party like it's 1999, vowing to raise taxes, crush the economy, and censoring the news in ways that Orwell never envisioned.  Script writers could not have set the stage any better for Trump 2024.

He has cured the virus, and returned the stock market to record high levels. 

Pathetic BS... Trump has not cured anything nor has he been instrumental in the stock market going back up.

If anyone deserves the Nobel Prize, it is certainly Trump.

Sorry, the world disagrees...

Script writers could not have set the stage any better for Trump 2024.

I actually would love it if Trump was dumb enough to try again in 2024. We've just had an election where a record number of 75 million voters showed up to ensure he did not get a second term. After four years of normality under Biden, there won't be anybody, except for the lunatic delusional right, who will want to return to four more years of a crazy, unstable Presidency.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2479 on: November 16, 2020, 10:22:05 PM »
These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless.

Even if you want to believe that the case death rate has dropped so dramatically only because of therapeutics, that does not change the fact that it has dropped dramatically, that it poses a much lower risk of death than it did during the lockdowns. Therapeutics have certainly played a role in the last month or so, but therapeutics alone cannot explain the fact that the decrease began barely 2 weeks after states began to reopen.

Anyway, here are California's COVID-19 numbers as of this morning and broken down by age group:

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.15% and 0.25%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

Oh look, the wall replied... normally when one talks to a wall that doesn't happen.

Your "superior mind" will never learn..... I'm just about sick and tired of your crap. There is no point in discussing any of this with you, because you, rather stupidly, think you know it all anyway. What makes it even worse is that you have no ability to listen to reason. You have been burned to the ground in recent post and you haven't learned a damned thing.

We already know what you want; open the country and return to "normal" and let the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions suffer the consequences. You are one sick human being, and I use the term "human" loosely.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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