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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2512 on: November 18, 2020, 11:40:39 PM »
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Those who still insist there is "no evidence" of voter fraud in this election need to explain the evidence discussed in the following articles:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/16/republicans-have-good-reason-not-to-trust-the-election-results/

https://spectator.org/pennsylvania-voting-doesnt-add-up/

https://spectator.org/trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit-fraud/

One can always find reasons for any election to be less than perfect.



As for COVID-19, how do you reason with people who argue that the transmission rate "doesn't matter"? You don't need any medical training to understand why the transmission rate of a virus is crucial information. How do you reason with such ignorance?

You think the transmission rate is down? I’ve looked at the rate at which people are coming down with COVID-19.

In the United States as a whole:

160,000 new cases each day. Before mid-October, our highest rate was 75,000 a day back in July.

But that’s not the bad news. The bad news is that this rate has been doubling every 2.5 to 3 weeks, since the last week in October. With the onset of cold weather. Particularly in the northern states.
The Dakotas and Wisconsin are close having their hospitals overwhelmed. And there might be 30% more sick next week, just from the people who now have it but don’t show any symptoms yet. It might be really bad throughout much of the United States by mid-December.

Question:

Who on this board said the transmission rate doesn’t matter?




How do you reason with people who abjectly refuse to confront the well-documented, easily verifiable fact that for ages 0-49, which is 2/3 of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a smaller risk of death than the common flu or the same risk of death as the common flu?

Ignoring these facts, and ignoring the fact that the death rate for ages 50-64 is below 2%, they continue to insist that these senseless one-size-fits-all lockdowns are the only way to combat the virus.

I agree with you on one point. The number of deaths to those of school year age seems to be roughly comparable to the number of deaths by flu, in a really bad flu year like 2016-2017. In the 2016-2017 flu season, 125 children between 5 and 18 died from the flu. This year, 93 children have died in the United States from COVID-19.

However, I do have one caveat. During 2016-2017, 125 children died. But 17,000 were hospitalized. If hospitals are overwhelmed, the number children who die could shoot up into the hundreds pretty easily.

The rest of the world, for the most part, keeps the schools open. I think this is the correct decision. Our children are too far behind the rest of the world as it is. I think schools should be open, despite the risks. There are big risks, even cost in lives, in the years to come, with closing the schools.

And what New York is doing, is insane. Closing the schools, but keeping open restaurants and gyms.


And for the claim that does under 50 years old don’t have a great risk of dying. Yes. But this is assuming the hospitals don’t get overwhelmed. Throughout much of the country they are getting close to that. And it could be a lot worse in two weeks, or next week.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2513 on: November 19, 2020, 02:29:56 AM »
There is no question that the death rate increases dramatically with age, particularly over 65. Some under that age with certain conditions also are at greater risk. However the simplistic notion that you can somehow segregate the two groups from each other is virtually impossible. Just for aged care homes, try and propose a model that allows for care workers of younger ages to enter the facility to perform their duties that prevents entry of the virus? This is in an outside environment where the virus is simply running rampant. How do all those meaningfully employed over 65 become physically isolated from their employment? Face it, you couldn’t event protect your President from infection. Was Atlas in charge then?

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2514 on: November 19, 2020, 04:04:29 AM »
There is no question that the death rate increases dramatically with age, particularly over 65. Some under that age with certain conditions also are at greater risk. However the simplistic notion that you can somehow segregate the two groups from each other is virtually impossible. Just for aged care homes, try and propose a model that allows for care workers of younger ages to enter the facility to perform their duties that prevents entry of the virus? This is in an outside environment where the virus is simply running rampant. How do all those meaningfully employed over 65 become physically isolated from their employment? Face it, you couldn’t event protect your President from infection. Was Atlas in charge then?
He's been holding up the Heavens forever, or so he'd tell you.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2515 on: November 19, 2020, 06:15:50 AM »
Those who still insist there is "no evidence" of voter fraud in this election need to explain the evidence discussed in the following articles:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/16/republicans-have-good-reason-not-to-trust-the-election-results/

https://spectator.org/pennsylvania-voting-doesnt-add-up/

https://spectator.org/trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit-fraud/

As for COVID-19, how do you reason with people who argue that the transmission rate "doesn't matter"? You don't need any medical training to understand why the transmission rate of a virus is crucial information. How do you reason with such ignorance? How do you reason with people who abjectly refuse to confront the well-documented, easily verifiable fact that for ages 0-49, which is 2/3 of the U.S. population, COVID-19 poses either a smaller risk of death than the common flu or the same risk of death as the common flu? Ignoring these facts, and ignoring the fact that the death rate for ages 50-64 is below 2%, they continue to insist that these senseless one-size-fits-all lockdowns are the only way to combat the virus.

 :D :D :D

Right wing hack sites don't count as credible information. Even Donald Trump's own lawyers had to admit AGAIN there is NO voter fraud which is why they keep having their bogus law suits thrown out by judges. Also, the DHS and Chris Krebs stated before Donald Trump fired him out of spite that there isn't one single shred of voter fraud.

Lockdowns work. States reopened and now we have a national health crisis on our hands. You have no clue what you're talking about. 

Trump Campaign Attorneys Admit ‘There Is No Evidence’ of ‘Any Fraud’ in Connection with Challenged Ballots in Bucks County, PA
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-attorneys-admit-there-is-no-evidence-of-any-fraud-in-connection-with-challenged-ballots-in-bucks-county-pa/

Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2516 on: November 19, 2020, 06:32:19 AM »
Donald Trump is a loser and a pathological liar who thinks he can make bogus claims of "voter fraud" to illegally seize power and be installed as a dictator. The fact is, there isn't one single shred of voter fraud found anywhere. Voter fraud is extremely rare. We all knew this orange turd was going to pull these shenanigans because it was written about before the election he was going to attempt this and he was falsely claiming "voter fraud" way before election day.

Donald Trump always knew he was going to lose because his own internal polls showed he was going to lose. So, his corrupt GOP henchmen thought they could steal the election from Joe Biden by destroying the Post Office and then claiming election fraud where he would have corrupt judges and electors overturn the will of the people. His bogus lawsuits are constantly being thrown out in court because they have no merit. The election was a blow out where Biden has nearly 6 million more votes with 80 million Americans voting for Biden.     

State officials say they're baffled, offended by false election claims
No state has validated President Trump's claims of "rigged" election.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state-officials-theyre-baffled-offended-false-election-claims/story?id=74243567

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2517 on: November 19, 2020, 06:41:23 AM »
Yes, there are a few decent Republicans that put country over party but they few and far between. These patriotic Republicans should be applauded for speaking the truth and legally doing their jobs unlike the corrupt Trump stooges who are breaking the law with criminal activity as a deranged loyalty to Donald Trump.

Michigan GOP mayor: Trump’s ‘baseless lies’ about the election ‘should be universally condemned by all patriotic Americans’
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/michigan-gop-mayor-trumps-baseless-lies-about-the-election-should-be-universally-condemned-by-all-patriotic-americans/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2518 on: November 19, 2020, 06:52:37 AM »
Lindsey Graham hit with formal ethics complaint for his pro-Trump meddling in the 2020 election
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/lindsey-graham-hit-with-formal-ethics-complaint-for-his-pro-trump-meddling-in-the-2020-election/

Lindsey Graham must resign’: Outrage grows over GOP senator’s alleged assault on election integrity, voting rights
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/lindsey-graham-must-resign-outrage-grows-over-gop-senators-alleged-on-election-integrity-voting-rights/

New York Times demolishes right-wing hoax about the military seizing election data
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/new-york-times-demolishes-right-wing-hoax-about-the-military-seizing-election-data/

'Grow up’: Georgia elections chief accuses GOP politicians of ’emotional abuse’ with bogus voter fraud claims
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/grow-up-georgia-elections-chief-accuses-gop-politicians-of-emotional-abuse-with-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/

'It’s not working — the lawsuits are failing’: Campaign Legal Center expert says of Trump election ‘weak’ suits
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/its-not-working-the-lawsuits-are-failing-campaign-legal-center-expert-says-of-trump-election-weak-suits/

Trump’s supporters lose another Michigan lawsuit
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/trumps-supporters-lose-another-michigan-lawsuit/

DHS cybersecurity expert fired by Trump set up a ‘line of succession’ the president can’t undermine: reports
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/dhs-cybersecurity-expert-fired-by-trump-set-up-a-line-of-succession-the-president-cant-undermine-reports/

Top AZ elections official is getting death threats and being doxxed – she just blasted Trump and other GOP electeds
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/top-az-elections-official-is-getting-threats-and-being-doxxed-she-just-blasted-trump-and-other-gop-electeds/

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2519 on: November 19, 2020, 02:24:15 PM »
Will Trump receive two or more Nobel Prizes for the vaccine?  An incredible accomplishment.  Meanwhile Old Joe is still waving that mask around as the solution and making the baseless claim it will save over 100K lives.   How is that working in the states that already have a mask mandate?  Record high number of cases.  NY, Cal, PA and many other states have had mask mandates for months, but cases are soaring.  Thankfully President Trump found a solution so Old Joe can take a nap after Jan. 20.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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