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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2704 on: December 05, 2020, 07:20:22 PM »
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I’m starting to wonder if the fraud was the other way.....how did an 8 point advantage to Biden in the polls turn into just a 4 point swing in the end. Maybe the Republicans ensured a few seats in the House and a better Senate result than predicted.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/04/politics/biden-popular-vote-margin-7-million/index.html
Biden's popular vote margin over Trump tops 7 million

I see nothing in Trump's rhetoric or behavior contradicting this.:
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December 4, 2020 at 11:21 pm
Is this OT?
Kraken Conspiracies: “He Wuz Robbed”

This is what I think happened in the election and 74 million Americans ‘casting votes’ for Donald Trump:
Context: DJT has to win, due to legal precarities, personality tics, etc. Via a sophisticated incursion of voting machines, he is planned to be the winner. (Which DJT knows about and fully expects to be successful.)
However, the pandemic-influenced decision to vote by mail, at rates unlike ever before, and generally very high voter participation, flummoxed the hack.

Hence, the hysterical, false claims of hacking and fraud and the bitter inveighing against mail-in ballots, plus the 74 million votes.

Remember DJT saying “Joe Biden can only win by a ‘rigged election.’ ”? Project onto others your own conspiracies! It was fixed for Trump to win, and he didn’t. Therefore he “wuz robbed” of his expected fix and he is genuinely aggrieved.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2705 on: December 05, 2020, 08:38:52 PM »
The dems have locked down LA.  One of the biggest cities in the country.  That worked really well in NYC.  Not only did they have the highest death toll by a long shot but it also destroyed their economy.  People are fleeing California and NY like the place is on fire.  And for California, that is actually the case.  A total disaster of governance.   And Old Joe will run the entire country that way.  Fortunately, he is a do nothing who will only try to do what his Wall St. paymasters demand.  He will even screw that up, though, and blame all his failures on the evil republicans.  So the harm he will do is limited by his incompetence.  Basically, a senile version of Jimmy Carter or Obama.
Actually,  I have been working the last two weeks, in Los Angeles.
I get tested 3 times a week

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2706 on: December 06, 2020, 01:07:31 AM »
Trump 2024 - Make Another Grift Again

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2707 on: December 06, 2020, 02:20:54 AM »
What could he possibly have learned that was new?  He was addressing the effectiveness of masks during the current pandemic.  He indicated they were a security blanket but did little good.  If he was wrong at that time, that is amazing incompetence for a person whose life experience was dealing with such situations.  So let us summarize:

1) Wearing a mask is better than not wearing a mask but has limited effectiveness.

2) The Dems vastly overstated the effectiveness of masks when it became clear that Trump was reluctant to wear one and was skeptical of the claims being made about them.  This allowed the Dems to falsely but effectively blame Trump for the deaths for political purposes.

3) Because the effectiveness of masks has been grossly overstated, many people have been led to conclude that they can safely return to their normal life and business just by wearing one.  This is contributing to the spread of the virus and may be the primary reason for the spike in new case.

4) President Trump was one of the few who didn't buy into the ersatz science of the mask wearing as a major factor in addressing the virus.  Instead he directed the resources of the US government to assist in the development and distribution of a new vaccine.  A real solution. This has been accomplished.  The history books will reflect that Trump was right and the dems like Cuomo completely bungled the response with their nonsense about lockdowns and masks that both destroyed the economy while having neglible impact on the virus.  Either out of sheer incompetence or political purposes or most likely both.

"Wearing face masks in public spaces reduces the spread of SARS-CoV-2.

What is added by this report?

The governor of Kansas issued an executive order requiring wearing masks in public spaces, effective July 3, 2020, which was subject to county authority to opt out. After July 3, COVID-19 incidence decreased in 24 counties with mask mandates but continued to increase in 81 counties without mask mandates.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Countywide mask mandates appear to have contributed to the mitigation of COVID-19 transmission in mandated counties. Community-level mitigation strategies emphasizing use of masks, physical distancing, staying at home when ill, and enhanced hygiene practices can help reduce the transmission of SARS-CoV-2."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm

Getting embarrassing Richard. No wonder you can’t explain Darwinism. What is the character trait called when someone is called out but refuses to address the comment?

Still haven’t replied about whether you cover your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze in a social setting either.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2708 on: December 06, 2020, 08:45:12 AM »
I’m starting to wonder if the fraud was the other way.....how did an 8 point advantage to Biden in the polls turn into just a 4 point swing in the end. Maybe the Republicans ensured a few seats in the House and a better Senate result than predicted.

Lame Duck Donald and his stooge USPS inspector General Louis DeJoy dismantled the Post Office which was their attempt to steal the election by suppressing the vote. Then you had right wing judges rule that late arriving ballots can't  be counted even though the mail was 7 days slow. Don't forget they also ripped mailboxes from out of the ground, removed mail sorting machines, only had one drop box per county, and purposely mailed ballots late to voters in heavily Democratic districts. They thought they could slow down the mail enough and make it more difficult to vote so millions of votes wouldn't be counted in this election. Millions of votes weren't allowed to be counted because of their corrupt election scheme, but the vote was so overwhelming against Trump, that he still lost in a blowout. Unfortunately, their scheme did affect Senate and House races.             

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2709 on: December 06, 2020, 08:51:19 AM »
This one act of voter fraud alone may have given Biden his margin of victory in Michigan. A Dominion contractor saw about 30,000 ballots being scanned multiple times, as many as nine or 10 times, at a Detroit vote-counting center. Biden only "won" Michigan by 155,000 votes out of 5.6 million votes cast. Yet, Michigan's Democratic governor and Democratic secretary of state are refusing to take any action to investigate this report or any of the many other reports of voter fraud in the state.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/dominion-contractor-detroit-counting-center-says-thousands-ballots-were

So we had tens of thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Georgia, a surveillance video showing election workers in Georgia pulling out containers stuffed with ballots after the GOP observers were told to leave, tens of thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Arizona and Pennsylvania, thousands of non-signature-verified mail-in ballots in Wisconsin, 30,000 ballots being scanned multiple times at one large vote-counting center in Michigan, around 200,000 ballots counted in Pennsylvania after GOP observers were refused entrance to vote-counting locations, and drastically unprecedented--and virtually statistically impossible--Democratic turnout in certain counties in Wisconsin, among other "irregularities."

Yet, shamefully, pro-Biden news outlets continue to claim there is "no evidence whatsoever" of substantial voter fraud.

 :D :D :D

More bogus right wing nonsense.

If there was any "voter fraud", Lame Duck Donald would have won every court case instead of Republican judges dismissing and throwing each one out. There is no fraud and no evidence. All these "so called witnesses are scam artists. Every single Government offical said the election was secure.       

Biden officially secures enough electors to become President
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-electoral-college-3e0b852c3cfadf853b08aecbfc3569fa

Trump and Giuliani’s star witness at Michigan hearing had been charged with obscenity
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-and-giuliani-s-star-witness-at-michigan-hearing-had-been-charged-with-obscenity-b1766853.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2710 on: December 06, 2020, 09:02:42 AM »
Today we will go over 15 million coronavirus cases. We hit 14 million just a few days ago. It adds up quick when over 200K Americans are getting sick each day and we have a failure who does nothing.

That will change in 44 days when President-Elect Biden becomes President.   

Texas had another consecutive day with 200+ new deaths

Saturday COVID Deaths

Texas:        203
Florida:         98
Missouri:      96
Indiana:        85
New York:    54

All these red states had significantly more COVID deaths than New York. New York has a lower current death rate than all these states. 
 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2711 on: December 06, 2020, 12:22:36 PM »
Trump "won"... or...

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Tallapoosa, Georgia (CNN)Sixty miles west of Atlanta, Haralson County sits a world away from Georgia's largest and booming metro area. Here, in the small towns that sit in the foothills of the Appalachian mountains, Republican roots run generations deep. In November, the county voted for Donald Trump over Joe Biden, 87% to 13% -- making it one of the most Republican-leaning areas in the state.

In the heart of the half-mile downtown of Tallapoosa, diners waited outside two food trucks and chatted about the upcoming January 5 Senate runoffs. But the conversation about next month's election began with November's results.
"I honestly think Trump did," said Ralph Horton, when asked who he thinks won the election, despite no legitimate evidence to support that belief.

Horton is not alone -- all across Haralson County, his neighbors feed off each other's inaccurate theories.
"I believe there was a little something shady going on," Cheryl Cantrell said about the election, reciting unsubstantiated claims.
For these shell-shocked supporters of Trump, it's impossible to move beyond November with a continued deluge of misinformation from the President and others.
Ahead of his scheduled visit to Georgia on Saturday, Trump has tweeted his grievances for weeks, refusing to concede the election to Biden, blaming everything from ballots to machines to elections officials. From the Oval Office on Thursday, the President thanked the Americans who voted for him -- and then shared his repeated lies about the election.
For Mark Clayton, he's not sure he wants to vote at all in the system that the President has repeatedly, and incorrectly, called "rigged."
"I really don't know. I mean, I don't know if it's going to change anything or not, it may or may not," Clayton said. "I don't know 100% what's going on or how they count the votes or whatever. It's confusing with trusting anything anymore."
But the lack of faith in the election system could turn into a Republican nightmare in the upcoming Senate runoffs -- GOP voters who choose to stay at home.
Republicans are relying on an enthusiastic base in places like Haralson County to vote for incumbent Republican Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue in the runoffs, driven by the popularity of the President.
In Haralson County, the President increased his support by about 3,000 votes from four years ago -- a trend in Georgia's deep red counties. In counties where Trump won by a margin of more than 10%, 276,622 more voters supported him in 2020 as compared to 2016.
But the President has been talking and repeatedly tweeting various conspiracy theories and lies about voting machines and the electoral process, undermining the very system that needs GOP votes in a matter of weeks.
Trump has also criticized Georgia's Republican Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger for their roles in overseeing the election in the state, which Trump narrowly lost by about 12,000 votes....

Shell shocked, maskless (selfish, direct attack on medical providers) cultists, in a land of the many uninsured and too few ICU beds (both GA and FL have refused to expand medicaid), who have donated, post election, over $200 million to the Trump University Grifter :

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-valdosta-d671563fe8baac7e49d163fa2b549962
Trump assails vote integrity while urging turnout in Ga.apnews.com › article › joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia...
10 hours ago — VALDOSTA, Georgia
(AP) — President Donald Trump pressed his grievances over ... Trump's 100-minute rally before thousands of largely maskless ... about Georgia elections that voters will think the system is rigged and ...

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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